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Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by azinman2 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:27PM (#17811033)
Backpage wasn’t porn, which is known to be fake on many levels selling fantasy. These ads weren’t about fantasy, they were a reality you could buy. I don’t know if you’ve even been to the site (which I checked out after the controversy recently started) — I was shocked to see what it was and that such a site could be online without being taken down.

If they really just edited out those words, then that’s pretty f’d up. The ads were very clearly for prostitutes, all with very obvious photos. If someone looks very underage, and advertises as underage, then they should do the right thing and notify the authorities themselves. To profit from that is extremely unethical.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by stickfigure on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:35PM (#17812416)
These ads weren’t about fantasy

Have you ever talked to a sex worker or former sex worker? I know a few. Fantasy and role play is part of the job, even if it's just pretending to be someone's girlfriend for a couple hours.

I don't see anything wrong with making money off of other people's fantasies (in virtual or real life), as long as everyone is a consenting adult. The indictment doesn't establish that backpage encouraged underage prostitution.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by pharrington on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:12PM (#17813887)
The context, with Backpage, is that we know literal sex trafficking, include with children, happened through that site.

We are viewing the mechanisms Backpage implemented and ads placed on that site, both in the context of the adult marketing fantasy world you talk about and in the context of literal child sex slavery occurring on Backpage.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by egko on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:35PM (#17812946)
> I don't see anything wrong with making money off of other people's fantasies (in virtual or real life), as long as everyone is a consenting adult. The indictment doesn't establish that backpage encouraged underage prostitution.

Eh, what? You can't just say "as long as" first and then change the bar to "[isn't] established that they encouraged" in the next sentence. Maybe I am missing something.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by DanBC on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:19PM (#17813383)
> as long as everyone is a consenting adult.

We know, and Backpage don't deny this, that many of the ads were for children.

But if we restrict ourself to adults; it's a myth that women want to work in prostitution, or that it's just another job. The vast majority of women working in prostitution only do so to feed a drug addiction,or because they're in debt, or because they're being coercively controlled. Yes, I do speak to women who've been through this.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by grawprog on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:55PM (#17814194)
Nope, I know a lady who worked as an escort to pay for school. She enjoyed it, liked making money and ended up working as a manager booking appointments and stuff for the agency she worked for, including some fairly important government officials. She talked a lot about it to anyone that would listen and repeatedly said it was a great way to pay for school. She had zero regrets and said she would do it again if she ever needed money. I don't know for sure, but I don't think she was addicted to drugs.

A coworker of a friend of mine who works in the medical field also works as an escort on the side just for the money and fun of it. She's one of the ones that goes to parties and on dates with lonely rich people. She's been bought cars and jewelery paid vacations to tons of places.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by belorn on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:41PM (#17814503)
I have suggested before that I would very much like to see a suggestion for a generic law that make prostitution illegal without using words that involve sex or proxies for it.

What about a law forbidding all work that has the work injury rates (or higher) of current legal prostitution and where the majority of employees are in debt? As a purely theoretical idea I wonder how wide of an impact that would have.

Coercion is naturally a bigger issue and reminds me of how mining and debt slavery co-evolved. Targeting the illegal behavior worked there quite effective in turning mining into a normal profession and away from a place where men in debt worked until they died at an early age.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by stickfigure on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:55PM (#17813731)
Your statement is so misogynistic and paternalizing that I don't even know where to begin.

I'll just have to go with "what can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence". Back up your claims, and "I talked to a few women" does not count.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by chimeracoder on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:25PM (#17813440)
> The vast majority of women working in prostitution only do so to feed a drug addiction,or because they're in debt, or because they're being coercively controlled.

This is flat-out wrong.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by drharby on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:22PM (#17816030)
Citation needed
Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:46PM (#17821466)
> Backpage wasn’t porn, which is known to be fake on many levels selling fantasy.

No, it was prostitution, which is, however, also well-known to be fake on many levels and selling fantasy.

Re:Backpage.com’s Founders Speak for the First Time by azinman2 on Thursday August 23, 2018 @12:44PM (#17828684)
When the fantasy is underage girls, they’ve been acquired through human trafficking, and you can purchase sex with them, then that’s straight up illegal and immoral.