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Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:27AM (#17807477)
It's Oracle. Safra is super close to the administration [1]. The only reason this contract is out of the hands of Booz Allen et al is Oracle. This might be the worst-kept tech secret in D.C.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-12/trump-tea...

Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by cmiles74 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:16AM (#17808872)
There was an article in The Register a couple weeks ago about a pension fund suing Oracle over their excessive cloud hype, and what sounds like outright threats to punish customers who don't try it out. From the piece:

The complaint alleged Oracle has been coercing customers to adopt its cloud services, to inflate revenue and hide market disinterest.

"In truth, Oracle drove sales of cloud products using threats and extortive tactics," the complaint, filed on Friday, stated. "The use of such tactics concealed the lack of real demand for Oracle’s cloud services, making the growth unsustainable (and ultimately driving away customers)."

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/13/oracle_sued_cloud_n...

Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by krylon on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:06PM (#17810830)
I read something similar on a German IT news site a while back. It claimed that Oracle's sales people pressured customers into buying cloud services, and if the customers did not "comply", they were threatened with a license audit that apparently included suspending the customers' licenses until the audit was completed. And if your ERP system is supplied by Oracle, or the database your ERP system runs on (or your financial accounting package), that means you can basically shut down your company until the audit is complete.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by Murdodc089 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:59PM (#17811410)
That's when you go along with their demands for just as long as it takes to get completely off their products/systems all together.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by sangnoir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @01:35PM (#17811836)
...and the Oracle sales folk won't care - as long as they meet their (current) targets. Be very careful about the behaviors you incentivize.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by mr_overalls on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:19AM (#17810352)
Oracle is a cancer. Their hostility to their own customers is inexcusable. My company recently suffered through an Oracle audit, and we're being basically extorted to buy Oracle cloud products to avoid a lawsuit.

Their corporate culture is just rotten from the top down. Their sales reps' word is worthless, and the attitude is not "How can I help the customer," but "What's my leverage?" Sales people are trained not to find the right fit for their customers, but to exploit their ignorance. They take advantage of customers using opaque terms of service, bullying tactics, and outright deception. It's like they got their business ethics from watching Goodfellas and The Sopranos.

Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by koboll on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:45AM (#17808739)
Oracle is currently buying out entire DC Metro stations with ad campaigns that consist of the words "ORACLE CLOUD" in white text on a bright red background, so I would imagine this is all part of one big ham-fisted strategy.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by TheRealDunkirk on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:42AM (#17809451)
Or course it's Oracle. Given how much of the rest of the US government they have by the short hairs, they're desperately trying to legitimize their last-horse entry into cloud computing by leveraging existing relationships as hard as possible.

I don't need a 100-page dossier to see that, even from here in the midwest.

Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by Finnucane on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @01:44PM (#17811948)
I can't believe Oracle would do something so underhanded and unethical. Oh, wait. Yes, I can believe that.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by Eridrus on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:25AM (#17809294)
Oracle was my first guess too, but this isn't exactly proof either.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by paulie_a on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:24AM (#17808432)
Booze Allen and Oracle should both be banned from government contracts like this. Considering their histories they are clearly inept.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by th3iedkid on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:48AM (#17808514)
Is your reference behind a paywall ?
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by pc86 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:31AM (#17809924)
You could always click it and find out.
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by bobmarley1 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:58AM (#17810755)
What are you insinuating? Booz Allen isn't even a cloud provider at all. They will likely inevitably be involved in the rollout regardless of who the gov goes with, AWS, GCP, Azure etc. but I'm not sure what your point is.

I'm also genuinely confused by Oracle being pulled into this, are their execs really so deluded that they think they could actually win this contract or is this just a wild guess?

Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by microdrum on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:05AM (#17807647)
So you were hoping that Booz Allen Hamilton would have some kind of role in helping the gov't procure this important service? Have you ever met them?
Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:18AM (#17807704)
> you were hoping that Booz Allen Hamilton would have some kind of role

I have no horse in this race. Not sure how you got that impression.

Re:Someone Is Waging a Secret War to Undermine the Pentagon’... by cylinder on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:30AM (#17808225)
I have. They're awful