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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by dec0dedab0de on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:15AM (#17800036)
Dude, seriously. Flatpak has issues, but saying "Packaging was a solved issue" when every distro rolls out its own packaging system is the reason we can't have nice things.

If every distribution was using the same packaging system, would they still be separate distributions?

EDIT: By packaging system I assumed we meant the same repositories, and packages. Since that is how Flatpak seems to work.

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by oblio on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:36AM (#17800230)
> If every distribution was using the same packaging system, would they still be separate distributions?

Do we even need that many distributions? What's the value proposition for all those hundreds of Linux distros?

My impression is that for many of them its:

A. we want to make my own distro, to learn, get visibility or maybe even make money

B. we want to make our own distro because of an already existing user base from point A.

C. we want to make our own distro because we can't get along with distro X makers

I wish that the barrier to entry to making a Linux distro was higher. People would have to put more thought and effort into it and the overall quality would be higher.

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by dec0dedab0de on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:59AM (#17800470)
Do we even need that many distributions? What's the value proposition for all those hundreds of Linux distros?

That is a valid point, and why I usually tell people to just use Ubuntu if they're not sure. The value proposition is that different people are doing different things, and even people doing the same thing sometimes like to do it different ways.

I wish that the barrier to entry to making a Linux distro was higher. People would have to put more thought and effort into it and the overall quality would be higher.

I believe that less competition equals lower quality.

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by oblio on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:20AM (#17800676)
> I believe that less competition equals lower quality.

While I generally believe in competition leading to better results for users/customers, the real life experience of Linux distros vs Windows or Mac OS doesn't seem to bode well for the free market :p (i.e. Linux distros should be the pinnacle of software quality and they aren't).

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:40AM (#17800270)
D. We want to make our own distro because we finally got this gigantic mess of independently designed and developed software to almost kind of work the way we want it to, and now we have to maintain it that way because it was so much work to get here.
Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by detaro on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:21AM (#17800095)
Are Debian and Kubuntu separate distributions?

Would RedHat switching to apt make Debian redundant?

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by jcelerier on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:16PM (#17803535)
> Are Debian and Kubuntu separate distributions?

yes because Debian (stable) and Kubuntu have different KDE packages

> Would RedHat switching to apt make Debian redundant?

- no because they apply different patches - yes because I think that both Debian and Red Hat and any distro which applies patches is already redundant with Arch

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by deadbunny on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:19PM (#17804075)
You seem to be confusing packages and package managers.
Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by TingPing on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:32AM (#17800193)
> EDIT: By packaging system I assumed we meant the same repositories, and packages. Since that is how Flatpak seems to work.

Flatpak is entirely decentralized, anybody can make a custom runtime (Debian/Fedora ones exist), and anybody can host a repository.

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by deadbunny on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:33AM (#17800782)
How's that different from current package managers?
Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by TingPing on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:40PM (#17803747)
Its not, its only different than Snap which is centralized. Their comment implied that Flatpak was too.
Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by nickik on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:23AM (#17800116)
yes of course they would. Using the same package manager does absolutely not require the same directory structure.

If they used the same packages, then there would be a question if they are separate distributions.