Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time

Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by akerro on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:15AM (#17800034)

There are several linux distros, I'm a single OSS developer. I once tried making my program available for Debian (deb), Ubuntu (ppa) and Fedora (rpm). I ended up supporting only AUR. There are too many differences in packaging managers, different requirements, too many websites I have to register on, too many config files for each distro. Support from people who work as packagers is non-existent, questions on SO out of date, error and warning from packaging software misleading or completely useless. It's a huge mess, and if you think existing system is better than Flatpak/Snap/AppImage, I'm sure you haven't tried porting your software to top 6 distributions. Also, enjoy dependency hell, Debian has old Qt and PA, Mint has PA compiled without noise-cancelling flags, Ubuntu had SQLite3 with not working encryption, Fedora had backported Qt5 patch (old Qt with latest patch) witch fixed one issue, but broke CSS on Cancel/OK button group.

I welcome AppImage and Flatpak.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:23AM (#17800115)

> I'm sure you haven't tried porting your software to top 6 distributions

In his world developers don't do that, they throw a pile of source files into the wind and let package maintainers put it together for a distribution.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by akerro on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:39AM (#17800257)

Yea, mainters also modify X-sofware, backport it, compile with different than tested compilation flags, remove patches they don't like, don't upgrade software for years or decades. Remember the time xscreensaver author asked Debian to remove it from their distro, added warning in GUI saying

_("Warning:\n\n" "This version of xscreensaver is VERY OLD!\n" "Please upgrade!\n" "\n" "http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/\n" "\n" "(If this is the latest version that your distro ships, then\n" "your distro is doing you a disservice. Build from source.)\n" ),

YES, THAT WHAT USERS WOULD SEE, if only Debian maintainer haven't removed this patch.

jwz.org/blog/2016/04/i-would-like-debian-to-stop-shipping-xscreensaver/

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703#84

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by digi_owl on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:01PM (#17801619)

And most of that come out of upstream not having a farts care about API stability!

Thus distros have to work around that by freezing lib versions and any software depending on said lib version for the support period of the distro release (5-10 years).

What is "funny" is that Debian here is doing no different from what RH had been doing with RHEL for ages, yet Debian gets all the flak...

Never mind that xscreensaver has a very prominent splash screen with JWZ's email on it on every launch. Maybe if he didn't want every idiot on the net emailing him, he should not show it in their face all the time. He may be brilliant in some ways, but sometimes he can be an raging asshole.

Hell, sometimes i wonder why he keeps supporting Linux as he seems to have no love for anything but Apple these days.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by deathanatos on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:02AM (#17800506)

Note that jwz.org redirects any requests from HN to a rather NSFW Imgur picture. (Also filled w/ ad hominem attacks towards HN users.)

If you want to view the jwz.org link, copy the URL, and open it in Incognito.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by akerro on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:22AM (#17800695)

Fixed by removing https://

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by jcelerier on Monday August 20, 2018 @12:24PM (#17801270)

I once had a maintainer remove random lines of code from my modern C++ codebase until it compiled on his old GCC / Qt combination. He then went on making bug reports of random segfaults on almost every user interaction.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by oconnor663 on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:58PM (#17803901)

In their defense, if they remove enough lines, eventually the segfaults will go away.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by oblio on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:28AM (#17800158)

And then your package reaches distributions 1-5-7 years later. I guess that's an acceptable software distribution practice. If you're still living in the 80's :D

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by digi_owl on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:06PM (#17801672)

Want things to make it into STABLE distros quicker, do not break APIs because the latest bling bling framework/language/whatever got released!

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by ris on Monday August 20, 2018 @03:02PM (#17802832)

There are many people who have got tired of wanting the absolute latest exciting version of their text editor, mail client, IRC client, spreadsheet and want things to just work and leave them alone. The larger part of me dreads debian upgrades these days.

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Re:Flatpak 1.0 Released, Ready for Prime Time by FooBarWidget on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:31AM (#17808013)

What about the many people who do want the latest version of their text editor etc? Those people now have few options good options. Is it fair to force them to conform to your conservative standards?

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