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Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday August 19, 2018 @07:16AM (#17793781)
But history has judged him as one of the worst presidents.

I wonder if that is a fair judgement or whether he was just the victim of the economic cycle and external forces.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by smileysteve on Sunday August 19, 2018 @09:17AM (#17794175)
In many ways, "history" has changed with revelations from the CIAs actions in Iran, Reagans actions in Iran (before and after), and more, especially to those of us reading instead of basing it on partisan hackery.

Perhaps one of the better statements we can most accurately make is that his administration was pretty poor at covering things up, spinning - perhaps to the extent of lacking the confidence Americans required.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/books/review/president-ca...

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by 0xcde4c3db on Sunday August 19, 2018 @10:06AM (#17794370)
> especially to those of us reading instead of basing it on partisan hackery

And make no mistake: the partisan hackery is strong in criticism (more commonly, vacuous dismissal) of Carter. I know a Republican who calls him "that man", a la FDR's detractors.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by paulpauper on Sunday August 19, 2018 @08:00AM (#17793917)
Not stopping the overthrow of the Shah (and then admitting him to the United States) may have been a mistake because of the hostage crisis that unfolded and also created geopolitical instability that continues to this day.
Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by EvilEndures on Sunday August 19, 2018 @09:07AM (#17794139)
> Not stopping the overthrow of the Shah (and then admitting him to the United States) may have been a mistake because of the hostage crisis that unfolded and also created geopolitical instability that continues to this day.

Fighting to defend a dictator the West effectively installed to suppress a populist movement was unlikely to have a better outcome than the Shah being ousted.

People in the West seem to forget the Iranian Revolution was _extremely_ popular in Iran.

Why was it popular?

Because the Shah was a corrupt and oppressive regime that was hated by the Iranian people. The Iranian Revolution wasn't the first time he was forced out of Iran either.

This delusion that Iran could be "ruled" by the Shah as a positive outcome needs to stop. It isn't borne out by the facts and it would have ended up collapsing eventually. Popular leaders don't need organizations like SAVAK to torture its own people.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday August 19, 2018 @08:33AM (#17794044)
The geopolitical instability was set in a long time before then, probably after the second world war, possibly all the way back to the 7th century.
Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by AndyMcConachie on Sunday August 19, 2018 @08:50AM (#17794090)
He was a victim of the Iran-Contra scandal. Something that the USA has failed to deal with to this day.
Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by mvkel on Sunday August 19, 2018 @07:38AM (#17793861)
Every president is the victim (or beneficiary) of the economic cycle and external forces.

What makes a president memorable is what they do when they’re dealt a “bad hand.”

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by peatmoss on Sunday August 19, 2018 @10:58AM (#17794525)
I marvel at what a terrible hand Obama was dealt when he entered office. I don’t support everything he did, but I’ve got to give the guy props for getting anything done. I miss “No Drama Obama.”

Obama may not be quite the boy scout that Carter has been, but my expectations are that he’ll become an elder statesmen of the republic that we’ll cherish similarly.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by DanielGee on Sunday August 19, 2018 @09:20AM (#17794182)
Great wars make great generals.

People aren't great in and of themselves. They are great within an environment.

So everyone is a "victim" of externalities.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by humanrebar on Sunday August 19, 2018 @08:33AM (#17794040)
No, he's a nice man but a poor leader.

He had lots of really nice things to say about Chavez and Castro when they died, for instance. Even if you're left wing, you need to acknowledge they did some pretty awful things to their people as leaders.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by icebraining on Sunday August 19, 2018 @01:34PM (#17795260)
He had lots of really nice things to say about Chavez and Castro when they died, for instance.

Lots of really nice things? What he said about Castro: "We remember fondly our visits with him in Cuba and his love of his country."

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by humanrebar on Sunday August 19, 2018 @04:54PM (#17796126)
It's an odd thing to be fond of visiting with a man with the justified infamy of Castro. He is responsible for human rights violations, escalation of the cold war in the Western Hemisphere, crippling the Cuban economy and any number of other things. But I guess he loved his country. Except for the people he exiled to the U.S. I guess.
Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by icebraining on Sunday August 19, 2018 @06:11PM (#17796460)
"He is responsible for human rights violations, escalation of the cold war in the Western Hemisphere, crippling the Cuban economy"

Those would indeed be funny accusations for an ex-POTUS to make.

Re:The un-celebrity president: Jimmy Carter shuns riches, li... by humanrebar on Sunday August 19, 2018 @07:10PM (#17796729)
Well, he could have not cozied up to dictators and avoided the whole issue.