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Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by pmoriarty on Saturday August 18, 2018 @06:10PM (#17791088)
It'll be interesting to see what effect this stuff has on people after 20 years of use.

Until then, I'm not touching it. There are plenty of other tasty meat substitutes out there with more tried-and-true ingredients.

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by xigma on Saturday August 18, 2018 @08:03PM (#17791635)
Did you miss out on this part of the article?

"There are more than 10,000 chemicals added directly or indirectly to foods in the US and food makers use an estimated 1,000 without notifying the FDA. In a policy statement as recent as Monday, July 23, the American Academy of Pediatrics noted that of the nearly 4,000 additives inventoried by the FDA, only about 263 had reproductive toxicology data, and developmental toxicology data was only available for two of the additives."

Better make sure those "tried and true" substitutes don't use any of those...

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by gorilla_fight on Saturday August 18, 2018 @11:45PM (#17792443)
> Better make sure those "tried and true" substitutes don't use any of those...

This is precisely why I, for one, have recently chosen to begin eating real meat after 10+ years of veganism. Who wants to be a lab rat in some food scientist's experiment? How many of the Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) substances will turn out to be anything but?

Nassim Nicholas Taleb writes in his books including _Antifragile_ how he doesn't eat any fruit that doesn't have an ancient Greek or Hebrew name, and doesn't drink any liquid that hasn't been in existence for 1,000+ years. Those which pass through this great filter have survived the test of time.

Humans have eaten bovines before history, cattle being domesticated around 8000 BCE but even earlier, about four million years ago Australopithecus, an ancient predecessor to genus Homo, ate meat. Their contemporaries, Hominin, did not and were outcompeted by the meat-eating Australopithecus (Scientific American: Early Meat-Eating Human Ancestors Thrived While Vegetarian Hominin Died Out, 2012).

Eating meat, and beef especially, is in our DNA. Soy hemoglobin "leghemoglobin" is not. I know which one I'll choose.

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by Gatsky on Sunday August 19, 2018 @12:46AM (#17792656)
This is the maximalist approach. However, you probably do lots of other things which have not been tested by history eg using mobile phones.

Also bear in my mind the way which our ancestors ate meat is very different to how we do it, and there is much evidence that red meat consumption is bad for your health in the modern context with our long lifespans.

To be honest, it is very confusing to try and work out what constitutes a healthy diet these days.

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by cosmojg on Saturday August 18, 2018 @06:22PM (#17791158)
It's an analog of hemoglobin. What kinds of dangers can it possibly pose?
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by marcinzm on Saturday August 18, 2018 @06:33PM (#17791214)
And prions are regular proteins just folded a bit differently but they give you mad cow disease. Biology can be tricky and even small differences can matter.
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by peterlk on Saturday August 18, 2018 @06:39PM (#17791237)
I can't tell if you're joking or not. Smoking used to be considered healthy, leeches were healthy, letting blood was how you got over sickness, drinking a mercury-based concoction was once thought to be an elixir of immortality. Maybe coffee is good, maybe it's bad. Maybe wine is good, maybe it's bad. How often are diets shown to not do the things they are supposed to? Humans are wrong about nutrition (and health) a lot. Saying that this is definitely not dangerous seems rather arrogant. With that said, we do the things that seem like the best idea at the time with the knowledge we have, and this does seem pretty safe.

Personally, I'm going to keep eating meat, but I'm kind of old-fashioned

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by Jade_Jet on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:25PM (#17791450)
http://web.uconn.edu/mcbstaff/graf/Medical.html

Leeches actually are valid medical science. There just were not better alternatives at the time, and they sometimes can still be used today.

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by mrec on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:45PM (#17791562)
Blocked for me.

    web.uconn.edu uses an invalid security certificate. 

    The certificate is only valid for the following names: web2.uconn.edu, phonebook.uconn.edu, testsite.uconn.edu 

    Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by Jade_Jet on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:54PM (#17791597)
You are right, edu sites... I changed the link to http.
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by qbrass on Sunday August 19, 2018 @08:16AM (#17793983)
While leeches have an actual medical use, historical usage of leeches was cargo culting and not science.
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by tjr225 on Saturday August 18, 2018 @06:51PM (#17791285)
Are you seriously comparing smoking and bloodletting to a veggie burger? What sort of insanity is this

Maybe HN has jumped ship and I need to simply move on.

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by perl4ever on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:25PM (#17791446)
I'm not saying the concern is right or wrong, but...the sort of people who aren't fussy about what they put in their mouths may be off somewhere happily eating a burger from McDonald's.

Being concerned about the quality of what you consume is likely to be correlated with being skeptical about meat substitutes made in a lab. I suspect the whole project of incorporating a little inherent contradiction.

If you tell me meat is not good for my health, or the planet, and I'm convinced, then I'm going to reason that I should probably just minimize my meat consumption and eat things based on age-old recipes, not be a fanatic about meatless purity or seek out weird meat substitutes.

This may not be an obvious point of view if you see avoiding meat as primarily an animal rights issue and associate it with technological progress.

Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by glenneroo on Saturday August 18, 2018 @10:59PM (#17792309)
Generalizing the sanity of an entire platform based on one post that you personally find shocking seems a bit extreme, don't you think?
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by tjr225 on Sunday August 19, 2018 @11:44AM (#17794689)
On the contrary! These sort of absurd reductions of logic from people with no business pretending to be experts(e.g. comparing a veggie burger to smoking or blood letting) appear to be very much par for the course here.
Re:Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awai... by foobiekr on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:06PM (#17791349)
I'm on your side, but not too long ago people would just as easily have asked "it's an analog of estrogen, what kinds of dangers can if possibly pose?"