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Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by kbenson on Friday August 17, 2018 @08:43PM (#17786299)
What you are describing is an example of of customers demanding non-testicle exploding drugs as why we don't have them.

When a drug causes problems, customers often end up suing the manufacturer/developer of said drug. If doctors prescribe said drugs after it becomes common knowledge that it could cause a problem, they also might be sued for malpractice.

Are people sing IoT companies for poor security practices? If so, are they winning? Without that, what inventive is there for those companies to do anything more than they already are? It's not like there's actually any level of brand awareness for the vast majority of these devices, so it's easy enough to just ignore complaints and rely on the fact that nobody pays attention to your track record when it comes to this market.

Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by igor47 on Friday August 17, 2018 @08:57PM (#17786342)
nobody's ever sued me for leaving flaming bags of dog poop on your front porch before ringing your doorbell and making a getaway by segway while cackling madly. yet, every day, i resist the overriding temptation to do exactly that. why? well, gosh darn it, because it's the right thing to do!

i think the drive to reduce every bit of human behavior to economic incentives backed by a government force structure is ultimately counterproductive. would you agree?

Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by bumholio on Saturday August 18, 2018 @01:36AM (#17787033)
>leaving flaming bags of dog poop on your front porch before ringing your doorbell and making a getaway by segway while cackling madly. yet, every day, i resist the overriding temptation

If there were millions of dollars to be made in the flaming dog shit Segway getaway business, I am positive many would succumb to the temptation.

So your comparison is unfair, it's easy for you to avoid such a behavior because you have no benefits. Not securing a device is a significant economic win for the manufacturer, as explained by the thread originator. You get a device that "just works" as opposed to one with complex key setup instructions that by necessity must default in the misconfigured state (else, you bet everybody is using the defaults).

Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by barry-cotter on Friday August 17, 2018 @09:24PM (#17786412)
If you’re trying to explain the behaviour of unusually, upstanding moral people sure. If you’re trying to deal with anything larger than a small and highly committed group no.

> there are three classes of humans 1) those who will throw the rock at you with the mob 2) those who will not throw the rock and avert their eyes 3) those who will speak out against throwing the rocks

> the ratio is probably 90:9:1

Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by iainmerrick on Saturday August 18, 2018 @05:31AM (#17787668)
I’d be a little more optimistic and put the ratio at more like 9:90:1.

We don’t typically go around continually throwing actual rocks at each other, so it is possible to make progress on these issues.

Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by barry-cotter on Saturday August 18, 2018 @05:49AM (#17787725)
https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/new-york-times-...

The author of the tweet quoted was speaking metaphorically based on his own experience. Virtually no one supported him publicly when he needed it.

Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by matz1 on Friday August 17, 2018 @11:01PM (#17786635)
Good but me and I'm sure many other people will happily leave flaming of dog poop on your front porch before ringing your doorbell and making a getaway by segway while cackling madly if nobody ever sued me.
Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by Angostura on Saturday August 18, 2018 @04:30AM (#17787494)
How much money do you earn by leaving flaming bags of dog poop? Can you get rich that way?
Re:Why Do Keynote Speakers Keep Suggesting That Improving Se... by komali2 on Friday August 17, 2018 @09:10PM (#17786382)
I agree, but in this system we indoctrinate our children to operate on profit motives. It took me many decades to understand that money is, ironically, worthless.