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Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by goatlover on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:35PM (#17784037)
Then again, MJ never had a 2011 Finals. He also never had his counterpart at the same position when FMVPs. Jordan was the best in every single finals he showed up in. Jordan was pretty much the best in every playoff series he played in, where the couple exceptions might be Shaq or Larry Bird.

And MJ has the highest career playoff scoring average along with being tied with Wilt for career scoring average. Opposing players feared and respected Michael Jordan in a way they don't Lebron.

Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by southphillyman on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:50PM (#17784145)
He didn't have a 2011 finals perhaps because at the same age that Lebron was in 2011 (26) Jordan was getting his behind handed to him by the pistons and not even making the finals. That's the fallacy with the "6-0" argument
Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by goatlover on Sunday August 19, 2018 @06:00AM (#17793551)
Jordan was losing to a superior Pistons team while still putting up the best numbers of anyone in the series. The Heat were supposed to beat the Mavs in 2011. Lebron had a historically bad finals for an all-time great. There is no comparison here.
Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by jimmy1 on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:56PM (#17784965)
Since you think the argument is fallacious, let me spell it out really simply: 6-0 is greater than 3-6.

I am so tired of the "Lebron carries teams on his back" argument. He sets it up this way. It's his own doing. The only time he didn't is when he went to the Heat.

> Now, it’s tough to identify a part of the Cavs’ basketball operation that isn’t dictated by James’s preferences. In 2015, he needled the organization into handing Tristan Thompson an onerous five-year, $82 million contract. That same year, it became clear LeBron liked assistant coach Tyronn Lue more than head coach David Blatt, with James famously ignoring a Blatt play call before hitting a game-winner in a playoff game against the Bulls. Unsurprisingly, Blatt was fired and Lue promoted to the top job in January 2016. James publicly meddled with another free-agency decision the following offseason, urging the Cavs to give Smith a four-year, $57 million contract. While ensuring his team would handsomely pay some of its midtier talents, his connection with his costar weakened: Nobody has claimed that LeBron’s relationship with Irving is the primary reason Irving demanded a trade, but it seems odd that a player who once orchestrated an alliance of superstars lost the allegiance of his best teammate.

> When Lue makes questionable decisions, remember that he’s the coach James wanted. When Smith ruins late-game possessions and Thompson appears to have no real use on the floor, remember those are players James wanted. When Jordan Clarkson falters and Rodney Hood fails to even crack Cleveland’s rotation, keep in mind that those are the guys the Cavaliers traded for due to James’s midseason malaise. The team’s general lack of depth stems from overpayments to players like Smith and Thompson, contracts that were offered to appease LeBron.

> As we consider James’s legacy—and that’s seemingly all basketball fans want to do at any given moment—we need to consider the size of the hills he’s had to climb. In Cleveland, he has helped create those hills.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/5/17429314/lebron-james...

Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by waterside81 on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:39PM (#17784073)
To piggyback on this, MJ played in a very different NBA. Today's NBA is much more offense friendly. No hand-checking, much less physical play allowed. Jordan would be shooting 50 FTs a game if he played in today's NBA.
Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by southphillyman on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:51PM (#17784149)
Jordan was a below avg 3 pt shooter. He may have gotten to the line frequently today but he'd also be relying on the his classic mid range shot which is the most inefficient in today's NBA.
Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by greedo on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:46PM (#17784529)
Players adapt to the rules in place and how they're enforced. MJ would have thrived in today's league, as would Magic, Larry, Nique, and Charles.
Re:Napoleon Was the Best General Ever by goatlover on Sunday August 19, 2018 @05:48AM (#17793519)
Russell Westbrook just averaged back to back triple doubles and won an MVP last season while being a below avg 3 pt shooter. Jordan was a lot more efficient scorer than Westbrook, while being just as explosive. Today's spacing, thanks to all that 3 point shooting, would be a huge boost to Jordan. He doesn't have to worry about all the rim protectors guarding the paint that existed during his day.