Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by tpm on Thursday August 16, 2018 @11:58AM (#17775768)

yes, long-term effects of alcohol are much worse, mostly because it damages the body as well as the brain, is used in larger amounts and through longer periods. Meanwhile people who have used MDMA at parties when young (and then stop using it, as most will) will have mostly no noticeable adverse long-term effects.

Now of course if you consumed alcohol at anywhere near the frequency you consume water that wouldn't be good either, but why would that be a fair comparison?

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Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by senorjazz on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:09PM (#17775875)

so you comparing long term heavy alcohol use, vs minimal MDMA use during youth.

Not really comparable. Would be comparing someone who has used MDMA 1-2 a week for 20 years against someone who had a couple of beers a week in college then stopped.

Heavy prolonged use / abuse of MDMA is damaging. Same with any drug

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Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by Nursie on Thursday August 16, 2018 @02:08PM (#17777125)

> so you comparing long term heavy alcohol use, vs minimal MDMA use during youth.

Which are real-world, observable patterns. I'm not sure why we should ignore that?

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Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by tpm on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:18PM (#17775946)

Well exactly, what would be a good comparison here? Why mention heavy long-term abuse of MDMA (which is I think very unusual compared to heavy abuse of alcohol) in an article about MDMA treatment? The MAPS PTSD protocol involves, if I remember correctly, in all cases under 20 doses of MDMA in the whole life, mostly much less.

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Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by fhood on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:38PM (#17776195)

"but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well"

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Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by ddorian43 on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:43PM (#17776254)

If you consume 20 joints of marijuana a day it won't go well either compared to tobacco. But nobody does that (I mean few do).

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Re:Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle' by tpm on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:49PM (#17776329)

Yes, it's a nonsense to compare that.

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