Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by alkonaut on Sunday August 12, 2018 @06:25AM
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Also, these are to a large extent not “natural forests”; these forests can be huge areas of human planted forest with vast areas being covered by trees all the same age and size. This could mean it burns faster and recovers slower than a natural forest.
Also in natural land there are natural borders such as wetlands to limit spread, and if those wetlands have been ditched to increase forest area then the reach of the fires will grow.
But you are absolutely right this is a human problem not a forest problem. Humans live in these areas, and live off these forests. Not seldom the people whose homes are threatened by the fires are also landowners whose livelyhood is the forest itself. That the ecosystem grows back cyclically is no comfort, they expect their homes and livelyhood to be protected.
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by Tempest1981 on Sunday August 12, 2018 @05:49AM
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But are the severe droughts "normal and healthy"? California has over 100 million newly-dead trees in the last few years, which is unprecedented.
https://www.livescience.com/57124-california-drought-killed-...
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by ummonk on Sunday August 12, 2018 @03:21PM
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Severe droughts are historic to California (and therefore "normal", though perhaps not "healthy"). https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/science/californias-histo...
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by douglaswlance on Sunday August 12, 2018 @07:47AM
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Climate is never static. All weather is, "normal."
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by vkou on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:24PM
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Unless we are about to put 300 ppm of carbon into the ground, Californian forests will either have to deal with the new normal, or die out.
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by 56chan4 on Sunday August 12, 2018 @03:57AM
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Totally agree about Nature needs the odd wildfire.
On the point of the bombing maybe the Vacuum bombs aka Thermobaric bombs could be a solution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
They burn more intensely so could the advancing edge be bombed so what is on fire burns out more quickly so that t can not advance? Although many will be familiar with the Fire triangle, if you can burnt an area at an accelerated rate, the fire can put itself out. As the vacuum bombs are essentially just fuel that suck/use the oxygen in the environment, they could steal the oxygen from the fire. These are also slow exploding bombs as a result but it would be interesting to see how they work on the advancing face of a wildfire. Hard part would be getting the right sized explosion, the Military cant control the size of an explosion that well, but Reaper drones could be used effectively with their laser targeting.
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by Tempest1981 on Monday August 13, 2018 @10:45AM
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Since 1910, 95% of fires are caused by man:
http://www.marinij.com/article/NO/20180812/NEWS/180819940
More unnatural issues: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/10/12/164582...
Re:Bombing forest fires sounds ridiculous, but is grounded i...
by gdubs on Sunday August 12, 2018 @01:06AM
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Well, it’s both. Native Americans used to intentionally burn as a method of maintaining a healthy oak Savanah. Today, we don’t do that anymore and, like you said, we’re building in fire prone areas — but climate change is also creating longer fire seasons, and more droughts. It’s a deadly combination.
It’s funny that we often phrase forest fires as some ecological disaster, when in reality they are a normal and healthy part of a forest. I fact, some seeds won’t even germinate until they’ve been roasted by a forest fire [1].
It’s only now that we live all around and inside them that it’s become our problem.
1. https://www.britannica.com/list/5-amazing-adaptations-of-pyr...