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Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by icebraining on Saturday August 11, 2018 @02:22PM (#17740880)
> The languages that provide memory safety also incur GC pauses

This is incorrect, you can have memory safety without a gc. An example is Ada, and more recently Rust.

Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by comex on Saturday August 11, 2018 @06:56PM (#17741986)
And Swift, which uses automatic reference counting instead of GC. This is not a “zero-overhead” design like what Rust aims for; sometimes it has quite a lot of overhead. But it is free from the phenomenon of GC pauses.
Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by pjmlp on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:50PM (#17745189)
> But it is free from the phenomenon of GC pauses.

Not really. RC algorithms can lead to stop the world in cascade deletion of highly nested data structures, and even cause stack overflow due to destructors being called.

Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by icebraining on Saturday August 11, 2018 @08:06PM (#17742226)
Well, in that regard, so is Python; the GC is only used to resolve cycles, and can be disabled.
Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by com2kid on Saturday August 11, 2018 @04:17PM (#17741306)
IIRC memory safe Ada doesn't allow for deallocation.

Kinda sorta cheating. ;)

Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by pjmlp on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:51PM (#17745195)
It does via memory pools, RAII (aka controlled types) and dynamic stack allocation.
Re:On Apple's Love Affair with Swift by com2kid on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @01:50AM (#17755854)
It isn't truly safe like Rust, as Ada can still have dangling pointers laying around, the free function is called "Unchecked_Deallocation", not sure if newer Ada has any mechanisms for better ownership semantics.