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Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by paulcole on Friday August 10, 2018 @10:59AM (#17733830)
If a car rolls through a stop sign they're being an asshole who thinks they know more than the people who made the laws and have little respect for anyone around them.

The same is true of bicyclists who do the same.

I have never driven a car in my life (age 35 currently) despite growing up in a very rural area. Now I live in a city and bike everywhere and NEVER run a stop sign. The behavior of both drivers and bicyclists is embarrassing.

Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by scarejunba on Friday August 10, 2018 @11:23AM (#17734126)
Well, then, that makes a metric ton of drivers assholes. There used to be this common claim in SF that stop sign rolling is a cyclist thing. Then Stanley Roberts sat at a stop sign and found nearly every car rolling it. Got it all on video too.
Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by paulcole on Friday August 10, 2018 @11:25AM (#17734143)
> that makes a metric ton of drivers assholes

Yes, this is true.

Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by dsfyu404ed on Friday August 10, 2018 @11:27AM (#17734167)
>If a car rolls through a stop sign they're being an asshole

Meh, it really depends on the type of stop and conditions.

Regardless of the number of wheels one's preferred mode of transportation has I'm not gonna complain about people doing rolling stops at 4-way stops where there's good visibility and the traffic conditions are such that there's no possibility of misinterpreting who's turn it is or at a right turn that would be a yield instead of a stop were there not a left turn option.

Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by paulcole on Friday August 10, 2018 @11:29AM (#17734201)
> Meh, it really depends on the type of stop and conditions.

I disagree. A stop sign is a stop sign. Otherwise the sign would say use-your-judgment-and-decide-what-to-do.

Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by Symbiote on Friday August 10, 2018 @11:56AM (#17734472)
> Otherwise the sign would say use-your-judgment-and-decide-what-to-do.

Huge numbers of stop signs are found in North America, but they're not so common elsewhere. In Europe, most smaller junctions in residential areas will have a "yield" sign, or no sign at all. Busier ones might have a mini-roundabout (give way to the left).

In the UK, installing a stop sign requires the permission of the central government. This is to keep the sign special — if you see one, there really is some risky road layout that means you can't see safely until you're stopped at the sign. There was only one example anywhere near where I grew up: next to an junction by an ancient castle where parts of the building overhung the road, meaning large vehicles might be on the wrong side of the road to pass by.

Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by dsfyu404ed on Friday August 10, 2018 @11:46AM (#17734386)
Traffic laws are written in a way that makes them as resilient as possible toward idiots. We require a full stop because not everybody has good judgement.
Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by paulcole on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:24PM (#17734716)
Yeah and the people who think they have good judgement often have the worst judgement.
Re:The cyclist behind an anti-cyclist Facebook group by RandomInteger4 on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:51AM (#17742983)
Absolutely false. You're mathematically safer when your speed is at parity with the other drivers on the road, and stopping unnecessarily interrupts your momentum to the point of drastically reducing your average speed over the course of a given distance traveled, increasing the chances that you'll get more severely injured during the journey.

If a car is travelling at 35 mph and you're traveling at 25 mph, then the relative speed of the car is 10 mph.

If a car is travelling at 35 mph and you're travelling at 10 mph, then the relative speed of the car is 25 mph, which is going to hurt a hell of a lot more than being hit by a car travelling 10 mph relative to you.