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Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by Ajedi32 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @09:41PM (#17730067)
Okay, so sticking with that analogy, can your phone company cut off your service if you're making racist comments or discussing unpopular political ideas with your friends over the phone? Or, perhaps more importantly, _should_ they be able to?
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by gameswithgo on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:06AM (#17732526)
Please quit calling "exterminating the jews" an unpopular political opinion.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by Vinnl on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:16AM (#17732587)
I think the term makes sense, because that's what it is, and that's the reason why people want to shut it down. It also brings into focus the main point of: where do you draw the line? When is a political opinion unpopular enough to warrant shutting it down?
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by aliakhtar on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:39AM (#17732707)
The difference is incitement to violence.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by computerfriend on Friday August 10, 2018 @09:05AM (#17732850)
But that's not really the difference, since there is plenty of incitement to violence that is politically palatable.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by xfer on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:17PM (#17730446)
Phone conversations are private.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by jewelthief91 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:28PM (#17730484)
What makes them private? They're operated on the phone company's lines and by talking on their lines you're compelling them to carry certain speech. The logic that states private communication carriers have an unlimited right to ban what they want to on their networks leads to the conclusion that "private" phone calls can be censored.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by xfer on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:19AM (#17730870)
> What makes them private?

The law. Wire-tapping isn't legal.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by jewelthief91 on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:12PM (#17735090)
It isn't wire-tapping if they block you from accessing the wire to begin with. Forcing the phone companies to carry your speech over their wires is compelling speech across their property which should be against their 1A rights if you're correct. However, it clearly has been ruled not to violate their rights.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by dsfafsdaf on Friday August 10, 2018 @07:40AM (#17732403)
Yes it is.

I mean, there's a law against it. But there is a lot of known warrent-less wire-tapping, both by govt and industry, and everyone shrugs.

And it's not even a de jure vs de facto thing, since by now a lot of the ostensibly illegal stuff has been either defended successfully in courts or buttressed by the govt.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by stale2002 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:25PM (#17730479)
And what if they weren't?

Would you have a problem with a phone company listening into your conversations and determining if you said something bad or not?

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by aliakhtar on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:40AM (#17732714)
If you broke the law by saying something, yes. Incitement to violence is not protected free speech.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by computerfriend on Friday August 10, 2018 @09:07AM (#17732866)
That's not quite the definition. But suppose some piece of speech is not protected: that doesn't necessarily make it illegal, just that it is legal for the state to censor you.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by stale2002 on Friday August 10, 2018 @03:38PM (#17736178)
This isn't about illegal speech.

This is about perfectly legal speech that does not fall under the definition of incitement.

We have the police for handling illegal incitement to violence.