too bad that the groups of people most responsible for “letting things get so bad” and the groups of people who are now “seeing some real effects” on the daily, are probably mutually exclusive

Maybe, in democratic countries at least the people in charge might feel some more pressure to do something (or make it look they are doing something etc)

It might be optimistic to think that people will recognize the real cause. Politically it can be pretty effective to simply blame the disastrous effects on the policy of your opponents regardless of what the scientific evidence says.

Yeah I am trying to take something optimistic away from this. Im just hoping that at least some sizable minority of the voting populace starts to see climate change as the cause for some of their problems and start voting accordinongly. I think we are seeing this a little bit(in the US at least) republicans on the coasts are starting to soften on climate change[1].

[1] https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/08/02/republica...

(apologies if you don't have access to the article)

Or, in the US, blame something else, criticize the overwhelming data in favor of it, or generally be complacent until your career in politics is over.

Curious what you've actions yoi've personally taken. Did you stop buying things you don't need? Did you stop traveling both for work and pleasure? Did you stop buying fashion/shoes? Did you stop eating things shipped from too far away or even locally that require too many resources? If you used to live somewhere where you needed are car to commute did you start car pooling or better yet move to a city and use public transportation?

Whether or not the parent did those things, individual efforts of those sorts will not solve climate change alone. Technological and policy changes are required. One could rationally argue for such changes, accepting the personal impacts they would bring, even while being unwilling to make equivalent sacrifices absent that motivation. (For example, I might be in favor of a carbon tax that would make driving more expensive, leading me to cut down on unnecessary commuting, even if I would not voluntarily cut down otherwise. Because I know the impact of the tax, and the resulting impact on everyone's behavior, would make a difference worth that sacrifice, whereas my own individual change might not.)

Not the person you responded to but my answers to your questions are no. But it's still unfortunate that things have gotten to this point and hopefully seeing the changes before our eyes will lead to action.

It's OK to point out things are bad even though I haven't done everything possible to mitigate the harm. Perhaps that makes me a hypocrite but the veracity of the claim that it's unfortunate that we've gotten to this point still stands. Please don't let my hypocrisy or anyone else's hypocrisy prevent you from recognizing the growing harm to the environment that humans are causing.

It's unfortunate that as a species we tend to optimize for local min/max rather than global ones when engaged in our everyday behavior. Only regulations backed by strong political leadership will cause a change in behavior in enough people to make a difference. We need nudges.

I feel like you’re trying to make some sort of point. But it’s honestly lost on me.

the point is the poster is asking "them" to notice so "more action will be taken" by "them". Why is it always "them" who needs to take the action not the person commenting?

In other words if you're not willing to take action why should you expect anyone else to take action?

I have tons of friends and acquaintances that love to spout off on their concern for the environment and then are in the process of buring down the planet with their 3rd vacations this year to the other side of the world and their 4th 10000 mile round trip flight in the last 6 months to attend some conference followed by Instagram pictures of all the loot they bought.

Heck, most of the tech companies fly there employees all over the place. fly them to SV for orientation. Fly them to some city for a global off-site. Fly them to the yearly team gathering. Apparently none of them really care either though they all have a PR page about their concern.