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Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by eerikkivistik on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:17PM (#17726217)
If anyone could provide a summary, seems GDPR has really made it hard for some outlets to render text (editors note: this was meant as a light-hearted joke, not ignorance)

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Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by genericid on Thursday August 09, 2018 @02:49PM (#17727235)
Of course. It's called the Great Despicable Prohibition of Rendering for a reason. It also applies to absolutely everyone, especially local Baltimore newspapers. The EU cares about local newspapers of foreign cities. It hates them.

If you don't obey, the penalties start at 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 €, 400% of your income and your firstborn. They will be evil, disproportionate and diabolical. The supervisory authority will not take into account silly things like "the nature, gravity and duration of the infringement" or "the intentional or negligent character of the infringement". That wouldn't be fun. In particular, there is no chance that you will be issued a reprimand instead of a fine. The authority would do that if its mission were to protect citizens' privacy instead of destroying your business and helping big friendly companies like Facebook and Google, which the EU is well-known to love.

Do not leave your house before you have read every single EU law. If you don't the EU will find a reason to destroy your life. Especially if you live in a weak and unimportant country that is easy to bully around like the United States of America.

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by gk1 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:24PM (#17726302)
GDPR;DR - The Baltimore Police Department has been using Lotus Notes for internal communication and data storage since 1996. It's also been contracting the same IT consulting company since 1996. Some say the system is obsolete and question the decision to renew the support contract, but the IT consultant insists it's working beautifully. The BPD says they will move to a new system, and will roll out a plan in December, but in the meantime they have to maintain what's in place.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by eerikkivistik on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:33PM (#17726399)
Thank you. This was all I was looking for.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by bunderbunder on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:29PM (#17726358)
Baltimore Police use a case management system based on Lotus Notes, which isn't particularly well-supported or maintained anymore. They just agreed to a 2-year, $176,800 deal to get support from a consulting firm.

This is a price that we are being asked to be upset about. No, don't take the time to estimate what it would ultimately cost to replace it. Just see $LARGE_NUMBER and be upset.

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by rhizome on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:36PM (#17726440)
which isn't particularly well-supported or maintained anymore

What does this mean? Notes appears to have fairly regular updates every 3-6 months.

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by bunderbunder on Thursday August 09, 2018 @02:44PM (#17727188)
I got the impression that the police department's system might be suffering from some bit rot.

That could easily be an interpolation on my part, though. I tend to just assume that all critical infrastructure built on Notes is poorly-maintained in the same way that I tend to just assume that all critical infrastructure built on Microsoft Access or Excel is poorly maintained. (I'm sure there's some well-tended stuff out there, it's just being kept hidden from me for some reason.)

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by vajrabum on Thursday August 09, 2018 @02:13PM (#17726839)
I think reading between the lines of the article that they aren't paying IBM for software support.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by rhizome on Thursday August 09, 2018 @02:46PM (#17727206)
They don't need to, they're paying a third-party for support. I wouldn't be surprised if the contractor has an IBM support account.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by megaman22 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @03:33PM (#17727673)
IBM really, really does not want anything to do with further developing or supporting Lotus software products. I believe that they gave that whole business over to HCL not long ago.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by rhizome on Friday August 10, 2018 @05:55PM (#17737005)
OK, HCL, but by that token Thinkpads and Deskstars are still being made.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by bunderbunder on Thursday August 09, 2018 @04:17PM (#17728069)
Rumor has it they've largely stopped using it internally, too.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by eli on Thursday August 09, 2018 @02:15PM (#17726867)
Only for the most current major version. They're almost certainly not running that.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by oh_sigh on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:23PM (#17726287)
Or they didn't think it worth it to rewrite their app to selectively allow enabling or disabling of features based on geographic region
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by eerikkivistik on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:26PM (#17726319)
Yeah, I said it in jest, have rewritten software myself for the same reason, it is an undertaking.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by briandear on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:28PM (#17726343)
Are people in those other regions providing revenue? If not, then why should they make their content available in those places?
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by genericid on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:52PM (#17737692)
So their content is available in those places.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by kodablah on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:28PM (#17726349)
> If anyone could provide a summary, seems GDPR has really made it hard for some outlets to render text.

If you put it that way and see it that way, it will be impossible for you to understand what businesses like these do beyond just text rendering.

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by paulie_a on Thursday August 09, 2018 @03:09PM (#17727432)
It's odd the Baltimore sun even bothers paying attention to GDPR.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by strictnein on Thursday August 09, 2018 @03:56PM (#17727919)
Yeah. Are they owned by some company with European operations? If not, they've gotten some really bad advice.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by yspeak on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:48PM (#17726555)
How ironic for nyt for blocking eu. Maybe eu should get real about onerous and unrealistic regs and stop trying to regulate the world. got to love the dumb cookie notice reg let's go back to using static html and no user interaction
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by acdha on Thursday August 09, 2018 @04:56PM (#17728426)
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, especially the “Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. ” part. If you want to be corrected about what the GDPR does you could find a thread on that topic.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by briandear on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:26PM (#17726317)
That’s not it. GDPR has made it hard for some outlets to make money in order to pay for the content you wish to read.

However, admittedly I run a variety of ad-blockers because newspapers have long abused my bandwidth with grossly inefficient advertising. But the penalties for violating GDPR are so great that it isn’t worth the risk (even if you are doing everything correctly, you still have potential international litigation expenses just to defend.)

Just curious, who should pay for the stories you read on newspaper websites?

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by Ninn on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:30PM (#17726366)
GDPR doesn't mean that you cannot show advertisement. Just means you have to actually be responsible and not abusive as many content providers with ads are.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by yspeak on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:54PM (#17726636)
Whatever. You obviously have never read a regulation and tried to comply without a team of lawyers. Or never run a small business. Or have a team of lawyers (which the nyt does but still can't get it right). Or are in violation and don't know it. Way to kill the internet. Thank you EU.
Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by sctb on Thursday August 09, 2018 @05:56PM (#17728910)
Please start posting civilly and substantively. We ban accounts that don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Baltimore police will pay consultant $176k to maintain Lo... by eerikkivistik on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:28PM (#17726348)
Answered another comment with the same, but just in case: I didn't make it clear enough I was poorly executing a joke.