肝硬化 Κίρρωση цирроз cirrose siroz
眼科 Οφθαλμολογία офтальмология oftalmologia oftalmoloji
儿科 Παιδιατρική педиатрия pediatria pediatri
5. Modern Standard Chinese is about 100 years old and even the script has changed. Before that, with a few notable exceptions, Classical Chinese was used and that's quite different to the modern written language. You would have to learn it to be able to read it, just as you have to learn Classical Greek or Latin, neither of which is a close relative of English, to be able to read them.
5. I really would be interested in seeing how comprehensible Chinese texts older than 100 years are to a modern reader. While the characters may have remained the same, pronunciation and grammar have surely changed in that time. Even if you can read it, the meaning might not be apparent e.g. Shakespeare's
And so, from hour to hour, we ripe and ripe. And then, from hour to hour, we rot and rot; And thereby hangs a tale.
relies on "hour" and "whore" sounding the same, which is lost on modern readers.
I'm not sure it's a good argument to keep the current system just to make cool tattoos
> Who can forget that “tomorrow” is made up of “sun” and “moon” rising and setting, or that “rest” is a “person” leaning on a “tree”?
All of those second meanings are arbitrary so I don't get your point here, any other combination could have been picked up instead.
> 5. Chinese Characters allows the Chinese people to access their history and culture directly. Like most technology, backwards compatibility and not ease of learning is a good point for not switching to Pinyin. Switching to Pinyin would cut the Chinese people from thousands of year of culture and history.
That is maybe the best side of the Chinese Characters but again I doubt people can read ancient Chinese easily nowadays, they still need some small training, a lot of things changed during that time. And nothing of Latin or Greek is forgotten, the texts are studied in school.
> 6. Chinese characters promotes national unity and cohesiveness. The stature of Han Chinese as the largest national grouping in the world can be explained partially by the writing system. All literate Chinese, even if they speak mutually unintelligible “dialects”, can read the same books and feel that Chinese Characters is their own language
Does that even works properly in practice or do people have to specifically chose characters based on their mutual understanding?
> 4. The gap between colloquial speech and formal writing can be quite large. For Chinese to be written in Pinyin, Chinese writers would just have to avoid overly ambiguous vocabulary terms and devise some new standard replacements if it became necessary.
That's not really a great point because when people speak, these non-ambiguous spoken terms already need to exist anyway.
One point you might have not considered is giving up the characters might open-up a whole new world of internationalization of Chinese which would have a status similar to English nowadays, keeping the characters is preventing that.
On the contrary, using Chinese characters makes the language more accessible to other Asian learners, due to many having some degree of formal study of the writing system. And in countries that don't use the latin alphabet, pinyin is no more useful than chinese characters--and if a person actually devotes time to studying, likely worse.
Having learned Japanese, after about a year of study, it's quite easy to guess the meaning of a word just by knowing the meaning of at least one character. As a native English speaker, there are still words that I encounter from time to time and I can't possibly guess what their meaning could be even with context.
That's because you picked Japanese as an example. If I pick Vietnamese that's the opposite, the Chinese characters are hiding the similarities of both languages to a non-initiate Vietnamese speaker. Japanese is maybe the only language which benefits from the current writing.
Not using hanzi makes learning language at the elementary level much easier, and many countries dropped use of them to improve literacy rates during their process into developed countries. But once your country is developed and education is good, hanzi has the advantage in that its fairly uniform and lets readers quickly understand new words even in different language.
Traditional characters are easier to read, in my opinion. There's more radicals to guess the meaning. I can also use my program https://pingtype.github.io to decompose the character if I write it wrong.
Simplifying the number of strokes made it faster to write. This helped literacy because the education system is built on copying characters by rote - a terrible method, in my opinion. I prefer reading in parallel, with the pinyin and literal translations below (also in Pingtype).
What Chinese really needs, and doesn't contradict the history, is spaces between words. Imaginehavingtoreadenglishwithoutanypunctuationandyoullsurelyrecognisethatitsabarriertolearning.
Basically our brain already has built-in text segmentation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_segmentation). I tried to think how I actually do that. It's more like prefix matching over a moderate large dict. It's not complicated and worked pretty well for Chinese. For your particular example, maybe the difference lies in word lengths. Most Chinese words are under 2~3 characters, makes prefix matching way more efficient.
1. Chinese Characters just looks better than an alphabet with tons of diacritics. How many people tattoo Pinyin to look cool?
2. Knowledge of Chinese Characters is seen as a tool that is worth the effort - it gives a different level of understanding of the meaning and words of the language, something that is arguably not immediately available to speakers of English. Who can forget that “tomorrow” is made up of “sun” and “moon” rising and setting, or that “rest” is a “person” leaning on a “tree”?
3. Medical and scientific terminology is far easier to write and understand in Chinese than spell in English. The Chinese word also gives a better clue as to what a given term means, e.g., “肝硬化” literally translates to "liver hardening", ”眼科” literally means “study of the eye”, “儿科” literally means “study of children”, which can be understood even by a low-level, non-native speaker; without more context.
4. The gap between colloquial speech and formal writing can be quite large. For Chinese to be written in Pinyin, Chinese writers would just have to avoid overly ambiguous vocabulary terms and devise some new standard replacements if it became necessary. In addition, writers have to avoid writing in a terse and poetic style influenced by Classical Chinese and more in a informal speaking style. This kind of vocabulary and grammer replacement would have massive linguistic and cultural impacts, similiar to removing all the latin and greek vocabulary in English. It would almost make current formal Chinese writing unintelligible.
5. Chinese Characters allows the Chinese people to access their history and culture directly. Like most technology, backwards compatibility and not ease of learning is a good point for not switching to Pinyin. Switching to Pinyin would cut the Chinese people from thousands of year of culture and history. Every Chinese people is at least familiar with a few lines in ancient Chinese books like Art of War, Analects, Dao De Jing and Han/Tang/Song poetry in the written language. Can you think of a comparable piece of Latin or Greek writing that the average Westerner knows by heart? How many people can recite Virgil and Homer? Bonus if they can do it in the original Latin or Greek. Greek and Latin in the West have been the bastion of the Western civilization, and in this age, all but forgotten.
6. Chinese characters promotes national unity and cohesiveness. The stature of Han Chinese as the largest national grouping in the world can be explained partially by the writing system. All literate Chinese, even if they speak mutually unintelligible “dialects”, can read the same books and feel that Chinese Characters is their own language. If they had a phonetic writing system, they might have broken up into separate national groups, as did the Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian.
7. Chinese characters are part of Chinese identity. From a western perspective it's difficult to truly understand the degree to which Chinese characters are interwoven into Chinese cultural identity. In the West, calligraphy is seen as a niche interest, while in China you have people studying and imitating the ancient calligraphy masters, students taking calligraphy courses, elderly writing characters in parks, families hanging proverbs outside their doors, decorating homes with calligraphic art etc. If Chinese characters were abandoned, Chinese calligraphy would not be the same, all riddles/ jokes/ puns/ poetry would become meaningless, Chinese names would become gibberish. Chinese characters are an extremely emotional issue and are something more than just writing. That is why even the idea of simplifying Characters outraged so many people.