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Re:China announces 25% tariffs on $16B worth US goods by pm90 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @03:54PM (#17718891)
> No the question was whether or not national sovereignty justifies criminal behavior.

No you are wrong again. The question was whether its OK to cease all trade with a country solely because of its questionable human rights record. I pointed out that its not. That Sovereign countries have the legal right to do certain things and must be dealt with in an appropriate way.

It is the same argument made, by the way, when the US wants to justify buying oil from the Middle East, none of whose countries have a stellar record regarding human rights.

Re:China announces 25% tariffs on $16B worth US goods by incadenza on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:05PM (#17719468)
Simply read what you wrote. No serious person defends a position like this:

'China is a sovereign nation and has every right to Govern itself the way it wants to.'

Rather than taking the human rights abuses seriously, you continually obfuscate obvious facts by pointing to the United States' history of human rights abuses (of which there are plenty), and simply double down on your own indefensible position.

You could also do the most elementary research into your own position, which would immediately reveal that currency manipulation, censorship, restrictions on freedom of movement and associated crimes violate UN human rights laws and countless international trade agreements. Any honest definition of 'legal' would account for this.

There's an honest conversation to be had about how sanctions impact the poorest segments of a country. That conversation cant proceed if you don't acknowledge reality.

Re:China announces 25% tariffs on $16B worth US goods by pm90 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:48PM (#17719797)
I don’t think I ever refused to acknowledge that the Chinese Government commits human rights violations (among other offenses). My point all along has been that these offenses cannot be used as justification for a complete trade embargo, based solely on those violations.
Re:China announces 25% tariffs on $16B worth US goods by incadenza on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:43PM (#17720234)
Ok got it. Then I’ve misread what you’re trying to say. For what it’s worth I completely agree.