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Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by sshine on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:42AM (#17714373)
Meanwhile, visiting a large commercial website today involves:

1. A pop-up notifying the visitor on the website's cookie policy (required by EU law).

2. A pop-up asking the visitor to consent to its privacy policy (required by EU law).

3. A pop-up asking the visitor if they'd like to subscribe to its newsletter.

4. A pop-up telling the visitor that it's run out of "free articles", but that you can sign up at a premium.

5. A pop-up asking the visitor to turn off the adblocker because the site's revenue depends on the ads.

6. A pop-up asking the visitor to participate in an online survey.

7. A pop-up telling the visitor about a unique way to earn money in your underwear.

None of the pop-ups will share UI for closing them, and some of the close buttons will be so hard to press that you accidentally change site instead.

(Clarification: It doesn't have to be a pop-up, but it does have to be annoying.)

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by cyborgx7 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:49AM (#17714417)
I'm sure you know this, as you have included a bunch of pop-ups that aren't necessary but websites do anyway. But for other people who love to hate on the GDPR, 1 and 2 are not necessarialy required by EU law either. Just don't have cookies when you don't need them and don't save data the visitor hasn't agreed to.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by josteink on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:55AM (#17714455)
> But for other people who love to hate on the GDPR, 1 and 2 are not necessarialy required by EU law either. Just don't have cookies when you don't need them and don't save data the visitor hasn't agreed to.

It's this simple, and yet everyone on the internet freaks out like having a GDPR-compliant general purpose website is some massive undertaking.

I can't fathom how people got so used to endless tracking that a non-tracking site now literally seems like a impossibility to them.

All in all, it's pretty sad.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by ddalex on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:08AM (#17714519)
So technologically the non-tracking website is very very simple.

Business wise, not so much. How do you monetize such a site? Even a simple commerce site needs to keep tracking of users, and to do any kind of marketing you need explicit user consent.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by pdpi on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:29AM (#17714626)
> Even a simple commerce site needs to keep tracking of users

Functional cookies like this are exempt from GDPR's opt-in requirement

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:11AM (#17714848)
Exactly. I've been running a few webshops where cookies were used only to keep the session/cart state. It never occurred to me I should irritate my users with cookie/GDPR notices. To quote the famous cookie law [1], the cookies exempt from consent were:

* user‑input cookies (session-id) such as first‑party cookies to keep track of the user's input when filling online forms, shopping carts, etc., for the duration of a session or persistent cookies limited to a few hours in some cases

* authentication cookies, to identify the user once he has logged in, for the duration of a session

* user‑centric security cookies, used to detect authentication abuses, for a limited persistent duration

* multimedia content player cookies, used to store technical data to play back video or audio content, for the duration of a session

* load‑balancing cookies, for the duration of session

* user‑interface customisation cookies such as language or font preferences, for the duration of a session (or slightly longer)

* third‑party social plug‑in content‑sharing cookies, for logged‑in members of a social network.

This means you could freely use cookies for normal operation. It's only when you start tracking people you needed to ask their consent.

[1] http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by repolfx on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:09AM (#17714526)
"You don't have to obey this law if you really need to violate it" is a common tactic in EU lawmaking and it's about as helpful as unlimited vacation policies are.

Nobody knows how EU DPRs will define "need" and therefore, to be safe, you just always show the warning. The cost of the warning is low. The cost of being found in violation is high.

Avoiding this sort of outcome is basic stuff, law-making 101, but the EU's output of low quality rule-by-law not rule-of-law regulations makes it seem like they either don't know or don't care.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by DanBC on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:52AM (#17715062)
> "You don't have to obey this law if you really need to violate it" is a common tactic in EU lawmaking and it's about as helpful as unlimited vacation policies are.

That isn't the claim. The claim is that a bunch of cookies are specifically exempt from the law and the law tells you that you don't need to put up cookie banner click-throughs. And also that everyone ignores that, and puts up the banner click-throughs anyway and then moans about EU law.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by mmusson on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @08:36AM (#17715350)
I’m struck by how many of these sites are for news and newspapers.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by sergiosgc on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:06AM (#17714512)
> 1. A pop-up notifying the visitor on the website's cookie policy (required by EU law).

> 2. A pop-up asking the visitor to consent to its privacy policy (required by EU law).

You never need both. GDPR superceded the "Cookie Law", so the cookie policy pop-up is no longer needed. You may not even need the explicit consent popup.

You do need user consent for storing user personal data, if you gather, store, and process personal data. Even then, you only need explicit consent if none of the other implicit authorizations apply: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by dspillett on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:54AM (#17714448)
> 1. A pop-up notifying the visitor on the website's cookie policy.

With a UI that deliberately makes it very cumbersome to opt out and very easy to opt-in with no obvious way (aside from clearing all browser cookies) to later change your mind...

> (required by EU law)

Contrary to what the sites imply, the pop-up is not required by law (I'm guessing you, sshine, are well aware of this, but the general public aren't). It could easily be an in-page (rather than over-page) or interstitial page politely requesting that we agree to the cookies being stored on later page views.

The request to opt-in is required by the law. The pop-up is required by the site's desire to make it inconvenient for you not to.

> (required by EU law)

While we are on the subject of the law: the way many sites implement the consent walls is not compliant anyway. A common issue is storing data in tracking cookies until opt-out rather than not storing it until opt-in. The other common flaw is one is mis-classification of stored content: should that cookie for doubleclick.net really be classed as "essential for site operation"?!

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by Asooka on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:02AM (#17714494)
When I see that I simply open the website in private browsing (in Firefox at least no cookies are shared between public/private), consent to all tracking, read what I want and close the window.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by dspillett on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @09:39AM (#17715803)
That doesn't help if the implementation is bad (as many are) and drops tracking cookies until out-out - your main session still get the tracking nuggets.

> in Firefox at least no cookies are shared between public/private

That is also the case for incognito/private/what-ever-they-brand-it mode in Chrom{e|ium}, IE, Edge, and I assume (though I haven't tested this myself at all) Safari and others too.

Though there are some clues that can leak from normal to private due to known bugs & edge cases in the browsers and common add-ons (like flash), search for "evercookie" to find some references about that, and there are other ways to fingerprint or track you which might be less reliable but still apparently work well enough for people to use them.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by nmca on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:45AM (#17714389)
Don't forget about the pop-up for the live sales chat!
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by VexorLoophole on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:47AM (#17714406)
Oh, and a pop-up about the new redesign and it's new (clunky for desktop users) features.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by securityfreak on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:53AM (#17714441)
While the “Accept” button is the only big blue button in the pop-up and the opt-out options are hidden after 2 clicks away on an arbitrary link hidden in the text. Of course, there is no “deselect all” personalized advertising vendors. One by one. Every time! I am thinking they should have made opt-in mandatory, but websites would have found a way. Greed always finds a way.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:00AM (#17714483)
> 1. A pop-up notifying the visitor on the website's cookie policy (required by EU law). 2. A pop-up asking the visitor to consent to its privacy policy (required by EU law).

That is both not required. Just don't collect PII and all is good. Apple for instance manages to run a website that does not involve any stupid cookie warnings.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by marksomnian on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @08:10AM (#17715191)
apple.com/shop begs to differ (and for the record, they don't have any cookie warnings, but Chrome DevTools shows me no less than 26 cookies)
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by the_mitsuhiko on Sunday August 12, 2018 @08:41AM (#17744100)
That's the point: the cookies that apple sets do not require user consent.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by petre on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:50AM (#17714423)
Thanx for reminding me. I just added them to uBlock Origin as a custom filter:

https://github.com/ryanbr/fanboy-adblock/blob/master/fanboy-...

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by DanBC on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:48AM (#17715039)
> 1. A pop-up notifying the visitor on the website's cookie policy (required by EU law).

Not always required by EU law, but always always blamed on EU law.

> 2. A pop-up asking the visitor to consent to its privacy policy (required by EU law).

Not always required by EU, but always always blamed on EU law.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by mrweasel on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:58AM (#17714469)
One major annoyance is that one of my Firefox extension, either the ad blocker or the "I don't care about cookies" finds and remove the GDPR javascript pop up from CookieBot (which is GDPR compliance as a service for people who don't know what they're doing").

Because I can't see the CookieBot pop up anymore I can't dismiss, but it prevents scrolling from working on a large number of websites.... All news websites interestingly enough.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by ObsoleteNerd on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:04AM (#17714499)
I'm not familiar with CookieBot, but from the sound of your post alone, it sounds like what's blocking you is a DIV element that is expecting a JS script to remove it once the person clicks the button? If so, the DIV element should be the same for all sites that use CookieBot (I'd assume. JS libraries usually dictate what your DIV should be called), so you should just be able to block that DIV ID in your content-filter-of-choice?
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by barking on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:46AM (#17714401)
That's OK those sites are toast if they keep that up.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by black_puppydog on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:12AM (#17714541)
Yeah, because competition will make it so? Just that "the competition" is doing the exact same things...
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by barking on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:39AM (#17714993)
Yes and cable took the piss for years with subscriptions plus ads and then along came netflix
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by bumholio on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:52AM (#17714437)
The proliferation of popups and overlays is the modern scourge of the Web, especially on the desktop. It makes life very hard for those browsing in anonymous mode by default.

We need a combined Decrap extension that kills all this crap and presents a clean browsing experience on a fresh browser.

Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by megous on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:42AM (#17714694)
How could you forget! Popup for installing "our mobile application."
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by mpolsz on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @01:49PM (#17717878)
Don't forget dialog requesting for notifications permission because otherwise you would miss important news.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by BearsAreCool on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:49AM (#17714420)
I put practically every major news website article through outline.com, only way I can stand to read it.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by justsomedude43 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @06:14AM (#17714552)
I have a solution for this. I don't visit such websites. They want to harvest my data, I won't give them my data. Either comply with GDPR or lose a visitor. Simples.
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by windows_tips on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:48AM (#17714409)
EDD: EU-law Driven Design
Re:List of Websites not available in the EU because of GDPR by watt on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @05:56AM (#17714458)
The real goal of EDD is for websites to have landing page (assuming you navigate from search engine) that requires no cookies, and does not capture identifying/tracking information (so no asking for consent would be needed at all) before showing the article.

The consent might be asked when you navigate to next article within the website, but majority of people don't.