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Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by darawk on Sunday August 05, 2018 @02:55PM (#17692833)
I don't really understand the criticism here. The NYT is acting like they are evading taxes, but as far as I can tell, they can't use this money on themselves personally. So, maybe it's just sitting in the DAF accumulating interest, and I guess that's not productive...but it doesn't really seem like tax evasion?

Unless i'm missing something, they still eventually have to spend it on charity, right? So, whether they do that today or twenty years from now after accumulating interest seems kind of irrelevant to me. It'd be one thing if the NYT had done some reporting that showed these guys were exploiting some loophole to spend the money on themselves without paying taxes. That'd be a big story, and worthy of criticism. But as it is, I don't really see it. Am I missing something here? Anyone who disagrees care to tell me why i'm wrong?

Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by Woberto on Sunday August 05, 2018 @03:42PM (#17693090)
One issue mentioned by NYT is using DAFs to "obscure their political activity" since donations don't have to be made public and non-profits don't have to disclose donors.

Another issue is that the tax savings felt by the donors is tied to the original contribution's valuation and not the valuation at the time the money is used. So in the case of GoPro's Nicholas Woodman, he got a tax break based on $500 mil, but the shares have dropped around 93% so if they're used for charity now it's like he only donated a fraction of that amount.

NYT also reports that the fees for some of these DAFs can be significant and so a portion of these donations are going to e.g. Goldman Sachs, Fidelity, and similar firms.

Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by khuey on Sunday August 05, 2018 @03:47PM (#17693121)
That knife cuts both ways though. If you put $500M in the DAF and then it goes up 10x before you distribute it to charity you don't get to take a $5B deduction.
Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by Woberto on Sunday August 05, 2018 @04:16PM (#17693299)
Maybe you should though. The people receiving the increased donations would probably support that - you did well and increased the value of your donation, so you can be rewarded for that.
Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by darawk on Monday August 06, 2018 @01:39AM (#17695295)
The point of the donation is that you've given up control. If I give you 1 share of Facebook, it is now yours to hold or sell. So, you are responsible for any gains or losses on that asset from that point forward, which is why the value at the time of the donation is used.
Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by darawk on Sunday August 05, 2018 @07:42PM (#17694187)
> One issue mentioned by NYT is using DAFs to "obscure their political activity" since donations don't have to be made public and non-profits don't have to disclose donors.

Ya, that part seems legit. But if that's the lede, why not be more explicit about it?

> Another issue is that the tax savings felt by the donors is tied to the original contribution's valuation and not the valuation at the time the money is used. So in the case of GoPro's Nicholas Woodman, he got a tax break based on $500 mil, but the shares have dropped around 93% so if they're used for charity now it's like he only donated a fraction of that amount.

I'm not sure that's a fair criticism. I think that you should get the tax deduction for the value at the time of donation. Anything else would be pretty crazy.

> NYT also reports that the fees for some of these DAFs can be significant and so a portion of these donations are going to e.g. Goldman Sachs, Fidelity, and similar firms.

Ya, that's sort of a real issue. But it's not at all specific to DAFs as far as I can tell, and it's not an instance of the "tech billionaires" screwing people over. If anything it's a criticism of these wall street banks.

Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by compsciphd on Monday August 06, 2018 @07:09PM (#17702567)
who says it wasn't liquidiated in the context of the DAF and put into a more stable investment?

I know when I donated stock to my DAF, it was liquidated and invested in the set of funds that the DAF supports

Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by walshemj on Sunday August 05, 2018 @03:38PM (#17693062)
Yes the 1$ salary for ceo's is "evading" taxes this is just a charitable deduction.

The only problem is if the "charity" isn't really a charity in that case the "pastors" of mega churches who have multiple private jets need to be looked at first.

Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by darawk on Sunday August 05, 2018 @03:40PM (#17693075)
Ya totally. If the NYT was reporting here that the GoPro guy used his DAF to buy a private jet and fly himself around the world, i'd be all for this story. But as it is, they've really uncovered nothing at all, as far as I can tell.
Re:Tech Billionaires Hack Their Taxes with a Philanthropic L... by shakestheclown on Monday August 06, 2018 @12:49PM (#17699305)
Part of the problem is that no one really knows where the money goes. So we wouldn't really know if he had a charity jet purchased by the company.

Charity can be used to cover a lot of things: dinners, galas, trips, vehicles, lucrative jobs, etc.