Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by eganist on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:28AM
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He also made himself a fruitarian, so the stress on his body was from a lot more than just fasting.
This same diet landed Ashton Kutcher in the hospital when he tried to go method for Jobs.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by ojosilva on Friday August 03, 2018 @10:26AM
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Jobs was a fruitarian in the 80s or earlier, back when he named his company "Apple". AFAIK he was neither fasting or being a fruitarian to fight his cancer, but overall he was a finicky eater all his life, a (sometimes lax) vegetarian with bouts that resembled a true eating disorder.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by macintux on Friday August 03, 2018 @10:38AM
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I don't have a source, but I recall reading that friends of his desperately tried to convince him to undergo "real" treatment for his cancer instead of relying on alternative medicine, so apparently he did try other options early on.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by ojosilva on Friday August 03, 2018 @10:46AM
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Here's a good compilation of his unorthodox eating habits:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/naughty-nutrition/20...
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by akuji1993 on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:33AM
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"Hm, this guy died and one highly likely reason was his diet. In order to play him correctly, I'm gonna try that diet too."
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by SaulOfTheJungle on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:38AM
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Ashton Kutcher is not diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by sleavey on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:29AM
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Didn't he only start after the diagnosis? Precancerous cells stand a better chance of being starved with fasting than cancerous cells. By the time the cell is cancerous it has built multiple metabolic pathways to power itself, making it more difficult to kill.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by Shorel on Friday August 03, 2018 @03:00PM
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I think his particular way of fasting could have been a factor for the apparition of his cancer.
It seems that the best parallel we can do is cancer == DNA "software" bugs.
Software debugging is a complex art and what works in one case definitely doesn't work in all cases.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by melling on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:27AM
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Perhaps it should be tried with regular treatments?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fasting-might-boo...
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by morsma on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:38AM
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As far as I understand it, then Jobs was doing juice fasts which is probably the worst thing one can do in the presence of cancer.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by madeuptempacct on Friday August 03, 2018 @10:21AM
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Why is it the worst thing you can do? It's funny - it's so easy to believe in conspiracy theories but then Shaolin monks and Steve Jobs die of cancer, and suddenly all of that goes out of the window. (Unless you make up another theory, but that's getting too convoluted)
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by logfromblammo on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:08PM
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As a guess, I'd say it's because the glucose can be used by the cancer directly as an energy source, and that the fructose can either be metabolized in the tumor directly as an adaptation, or it ties up resources elsewhere in the body that could have been better used to fight the cancer.
The lack of protein or fat in the juice means that it cannot help the rest of the body rebuild itself as the tumor is sucking up all available resources. Shipments of essential fats or amino acids are being hijacked by piratical cancer cells, and never reach their intended destinations. If there were an oversupply, some might still get through.
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by Shorel on Friday August 03, 2018 @03:04PM
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Because of the high sugar content?
Re:Periodic fasting starves cisplatin‐resistant cancers to d...
by sandworm101 on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:31AM
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Each cancer is different and might respond to different treatments. I was speaking very generally. This paticular cancer reacts because of its unique properties, but the principal may work on others too.
Remember, fasting didn't work out so well for Jobs.