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Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by everdev on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @09:13PM (#17658851)
I see this pattern a lot in history. Things are bad until something worse comes along.

There's some quote about each country needing a reasonably strong enemy. Without one, the country starts trying to find enemies and conflict within.

Same thing might be happening in these mediations. By adding a bigger "enemy", the two parties probably quickly back down from trying to defend against to enemies and compromise with each other.

It's a sad state of human nature but apparently works.

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by DanAndersen on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @10:33PM (#17659194)
There's supposed to be some sort of Arabic proverb that's something along the lines of "Me against my brothers, me and my brothers against my cousins, me and my brother and my cousins against the world".

It feels like a lot of attempted global social policy of the past 50 or so years has been trying to create a stronger consciousness of "humanity" as a thing, with our new enemies being abstract issues like poverty, hunger, climate change, drugs, inequality, etc. The "War on [...]" branding is part of that. Doesn't seem like it really gets the blood going as much. We'll probably have to have conquering aliens to fight against before that happens.

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by Chronos309 on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @02:19AM (#17660127)
I wish people felt the same about going to space as I do. I think that if we were more knowledge focused as a species that we'd be racing to the stars which would mean an insanely different mentality than the 'tow the line' kind of thing I think we have nowadays.
Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by mkirklions on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @08:25AM (#17661819)
Im a huge fan of learning about space, but sending human bodies seems impractical outside the novelty.

Everything is unfathomably far away.

There are lots of obstacles, near light speed travel is a necessity and we are nowhere near this ability, or that ability with a human undergoing the acceleration to light speed.

EDIT: So I suppose I'm suggesting putting our resources toward those beneficial causes on earth is better use.

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by Viliam1234 on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @04:56PM (#17666913)
The greatest enemy of us all is the Universe itself. It's the thing that is trying to kill each one of us individually, and all of us together, and to destroy everything we ever built or cared about, and then even tear apart the very atoms.
Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by beobab on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @05:49AM (#17661030)
I would very much like us to go to space.
Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by everdev on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @01:23AM (#17659921)
Agreed. I think Ronald Reagan tried to evoke something like that during the cold war asking the lines of: imagine how well we'd get along if aliens discovered us

You see this in political parties too. When one fights hard enough to take power, infighting usually divides it and weakens it enough for the next party to take power

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by nsomaru on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @08:18AM (#17661771)
Happened in South Africa. Opposition parties were all united against apparently errant president Jacob Zuma of the ruling ANC.

His fall removed the common enemy, and the discourse devolved to identity/race/class politics as the country polarises around the "land issue."[0] Non-white South Africans previously united around the common desire to liberate themselves from apartheid. With that enemy removed, society finds itself fracturing as the cracks in a democratic rainbow nation are strained.

Obama gave a great speech where he touched on what it means to be a democrat (among other things) at the Nelson Mandela Centenary Lecture.[1] His analysis of the current state of affairs was sufficiently general that it applied both in the South African and Global contexts. Definitely a sober note in the political narrative after the ousting of the former pres.

[0] https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-anc-will-su...

[1] https://youtu.be/6cWYiJKCWdI?t=2h14m56s

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by ravenstine on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @09:57AM (#17662517)
> Same thing might be happening in these mediations. By adding a bigger "enemy", the two parties probably quickly back down from trying to defend against to enemies and compromise with each other.

> It's a sad state of human nature but apparently works.

I don't think that's sad at all. In fact, it's brilliant that function is built in to us.

When aliens attack, do you really want the world powers to be wasting time with their chess game they've been playing since WWII? If aliens did attack, 99% of that nonsense would be put on hold overnight. Yeah, you'll probably still get some small groups who aren't going to play by those rules, but on the grand scheme of things, the human race still manages to make the whole group a priority even if it's out of convenience.

However, I don't think your assessment that the mediator is made an enemy is correct. In fact, it's the exact opposite. If the mediator was an enemy, the path of least resistance is to ignore the mediator and for both negotiators to continue to rationalize and cement their positions. But if the mediator isn't an enemy, but simply a disappointed helper, it would follow that the negotiators are more likely to resolve their differences in order to correct the group imbalance, which is a natural tendency.

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by awb on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @10:32AM (#17662802)
I think some of us fantasize about cooperation and kindness as the tools that accelerate growth and bring us together.

However, it appears as in this study that conflict and competition are far better drivers.

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by bytematic on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @11:01AM (#17663075)
I am almost not sure that the polarization in the US would be put on hold overnight
Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by TeMPOraL on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @03:25AM (#17660318)
I agree. I've noticed that too. That's why I sometimes joke, that we could really use the threat of impending alien invasion right about now - even if completely fabricated. This feels like the only way for the world to get its shit together.

(And on the smaller scale, I think that the perceived decay and ennui in western countries stems from the fact that there's no unifying goal for the nation; everyone just fends for themselves.)

Re:Why Hostility Can Bring People Closer Together by yannis7 on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @05:19AM (#17660854)
read "rally Americans against Russians[Democrats]/China[Republicans]"