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Re:The Bullshit Web by thegayngler on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:12PM (#17656652)
I agree in theory. However, I haven't noticed the slowness in their website and the ads are well done and blend in with the webpage. They may have to redesign/rearchitect their whole website to get what you are asking for.

It should be noted that traditional newspapers include ads alongside news content and no one complains. In fact people used to sift through the Sunday NYT simply for the ads.

Re:The Bullshit Web by rootlocus on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @02:21AM (#17660136)
> the ads are well done and blend in with the webpage

That's called "native advertisement" and it's supposed to trick you into thinking you're reading a genuine article instead of an ad. I actively avoid sites that do this.

> In fact people used to sift through the Sunday NYT simply for the ads.

Back when people couldn't google for stuff, and the ads were useful because they mostly came from local businesses you actually needed once in a while.

Re:The Bullshit Web by LeoNatan25 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:32PM (#17657882)
There is no such thing as "the ads are well done and blend in with the webpage". Especially on a website where you pay for a subscription.
Re:The Bullshit Web by TeMPOraL on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @01:14AM (#17659890)
Moreover, there is a tipping point, beyond which the ad blends too well and becomes plain deception. This is even more of a problem for journalistic publications. See also: native advertising.
Re:The Bullshit Web by LeoNatan25 on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:50AM (#17661327)
Indeed. In print, you had dedicated pages to advertisement. Not optimal, but much easier to ignore. Nowadays, you never know if an “article” is simply a marketing agenda.
Re:The Bullshit Web by thegayngler on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:47PM (#17672966)
Yes because the signs people put around the "native ads" literally stating that it's an "ad" or "sponsored content" are easily ignorable. Get real. People pay for a newspaper with ads in it. You still have to sift through it. Ignore it? You literally have to turn the page or spend 5 minutes pulling the ads out of the newspaper if you don't want them and in some cases there isn't a way to escape the ad with print because part of the article is there with the ad. Ad block won't save you then.
Re:The Bullshit Web by Aeolun on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:52PM (#17658729)
That's no different from paying for a real newspaper subscription though.

But I guess you could say that you are paying for delivery instead.

Re:The Bullshit Web by komali2 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:39PM (#17656880)
Tbh they could email me articles plaintext and I'd happily hand over my money.
Re:The Bullshit Web by cheezymoogle on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @05:01PM (#17657088)
Imagine that, a digital newspaper in your digital mailbox!
Re:The Bullshit Web by TeMPOraL on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @05:50PM (#17657547)
You mean sending you news in a digital letter?
Re:The Bullshit Web by cheezymoogle on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:32PM (#17657883)
How intriguing! I would like to subscribe to your... how do you say... letter of news.
Re:The Bullshit Web by itronitron on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:57PM (#17658050)
but a letter of news may be too small, maybe we can remove that size constraint and call it 'a paper of news' that would be delivered
Re:The Bullshit Web by flukus on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @11:08PM (#17659354)
Maybe they could send multiple letters and I could have some kind of client that shows me the headlines and allows me to open the articles I'm interested in.
Re:The Bullshit Web by ealhad on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @10:07AM (#17662599)
That would be amazing. How come Google hasn't invented something like that yet?
Re:The Bullshit Web by DrScump on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @03:46AM (#17660393)
Over 20 years ago, the San Jose Mercury-News offered exactly such a service.

Called Newshound, it let you set up to face sets of keywords (in the basic $5/month subscription), and it would email you the plain text of every article that matched the criteria, whether generated within the publisher network or from wire services.

Re:The Bullshit Web by viaken on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @11:09PM (#17659359)
It would be trivial to write a script to scrape text.npr.org and send it to you.

Or you can just visit it, I suppose.

Re:The Bullshit Web by MaxBarraclough on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @04:37AM (#17660605)
Firefox and Safari each have a 'Reader Mode' which does exactly what you want: presenting a web-page in the absence of any web design.

It's really the ultimate condemnation of modern web design that this feature is so useful.

Edit: won't help the data-consumption though, as I believe it can only be enabled after the page has loaded

Re:The Bullshit Web by setzer22 on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @08:31AM (#17661864)
In reply to your edit. You can use something like umatrix to block almost everything (even css) and reader mode will still work, I do this for most newspapers and works quite well.
Re:The Bullshit Web by Papirola on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:30PM (#17658597)
we used to have usenet...
Re:The Bullshit Web by derekp7 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @09:51PM (#17659005)
And when I first got online in the early 90's, my ISP had an additional subscription option to get real newspaper-type articles delivered in a special usenet newsgroup hierarchy (can't remember the name of the news service itself though).
Re:The Bullshit Web by Endy on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @12:53AM (#17659801)
What do you mean "used to"? Usenet still exists.
Re:The Bullshit Web by TuringTest on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @03:54AM (#17660426)
And how good is it?
Re:The Bullshit Web by Endy on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @04:01PM (#17666412)
Like any community, that's defined by the people in it. Some groups are excellent, some groups are mostly dead, some display varying levels of toxicity. Overall my experience hasn't been a bad one.
Re:The Bullshit Web by TuringTest on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:53AM (#17669895)
What kinds of groups are there?

Given the lack of popularity and commercial support, combined with the complexity to connect a client with an available server (compared with downloading an app from the store), I'd expect that they are populated mostly by old tech people or passers-by from universities; and any special interest group would have small user base coming from that demographic profile. Are my assumptions correct?

Re:The Bullshit Web by MaxBarraclough on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @04:37AM (#17660606)
Reader Mode, my friend.