This far, you might be arguably correct in that prima facie refers, essentially, to a conclusion that is justified by a piece of evidence unless rebutted by some other counterevidence. But the manner you use it here suggests that your intent was to use the sense of ipso facto rather than merely prima facie, and that's clearly not correct: it is quite possible to think that the are on-average ability differences between races with whites being advantaged over blacks (or some other race, or even most advantaged of all races) in one or more dimensions without being a white supremacist.
> that's what the term means.
Even to the extent that your prima facie claim in the foregoing independent clause could be argued to be correct, this little tag is not. “White supremacist” does not mean “person who believes that African Americans are on average less intelligent than ‘white’ people.”
It means [0] ”a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races”.
[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremaci...
I recognize that there is a trope suggesting you're not a white supremacist unless you want there to be a biologically determined difference. But, no, that just makes you a reluctant white supremacist. Similarly: there are people who believe it can't possibly be white supremacy to simply recognize science that suggests those differences. Nope, that makes you a scientific white supremacist. What if the differences are very minor? Then you're a mild white supremacist. This bothers people, and I guess it's heartening that it does, but I think most of us are aware that the most pernicious and dangerous form of white supremacy isn't the tiki torch army, but rather the subtle biases and self-dealing that work to keep difference "races" locked into different socioeconomic status brackets. The term means what it means. People should stop looking for loopholes.
You either are wrong or are speaking a language in which the phrase “white supremacist” means something different than it does in normal English usage.
> I recognize that there is a trope suggesting you're not a white supremacist unless you want there to be a biologically determined difference.
There might be, but I've never encountered it. And I'm starting to think you are not merely posting from a place using alternate English, but from a complete alternate reality.
Aside from you, I've never encountered anyone who seemed to think that the core of white supremacy was a belief in on-average differences.
White supremacy has two defining features (this is an elaboration of the two-point dictionary definition posted upthread), both of which are required:
(1) The belief that members of the White race, as such, are inherently superior—and this is reslly specifically about moral/value superiority—to those of other races. Universal or on-average biological differences may be pointed to as evidence of this superiority of value, but they are not the central point.
(2) The belief that as well as (and usually because of) point 1, above, members of the White race, as such, should be in a dominant role, and those of others limited to a subordinate role, independent of individual traits aside from race, in society.
Believing that whites have an on-average advantage in one dimension like IQ and neither assigning greater moral value to Whites as a class because of that nor believing that Whites should be favored in society does not make you a white supremacist. It doesn't even make you a pro-White racist, which you can be without being a White supremacists (holding belief 1 without belief 2 would make you a racist, but not a White supremacist.)
> The term means what it means.
Yes, and what the term “white supremacist” means is not “person who believes that whites have a higher average IQ than blacks” or “White Americans have a higher average IQ than African Americans”.
It's true that each of those (quite different, though often conflated) beliefs probably has some correlation with white supremacy, and indeed I'd be surprised to find a white supremacist who disagreed with either. But neither belief, alone, makes you a white supremacists or even a racist.
Just like believing men are on average taller than women doesn't make you a patriarchist, or even a sexist.
It's not a matter of offense, it's just a matter of the (unstated, with parameters only inferrable from your examples) definition you are using being radically at odds with any common use or published definition of “white supremacy” (including, but not limited to, the one I specifically cited upthread, in part in hopes that if you disagreed with it you'd provide an equally specific alternative), and your claims about what other people propose as an alternative to your preferred definition also being similarly disconnected from anything I can find in use anywhere.
I might be offended if you embraced the ideals of (actual) White supremacy. Your embrace of a weird definition of white supremacy that makes it a belief regarding a pure fact question rather than a value system—along with the idea that there is a rogue group pushing an alternate definition which makes it about a different fact-not-value question—is baffling, but not in itself offensive.
I find the content of his statements consistently divorced from reality and he also operates sockpuppet.org as his personal website. I'm not calling him something that he doesn't already clearly embrace.
I won't disagree that my comment was hostile, but so is disagreeing with someone based on his distinct, personal interpretation of the meaning of words. So is saying that anyone who is even slightly a bigot is also a white supremacist. If you have to ban me for this, Dan, I'll just take it. If we can't have meta discussions about how we discuss topics here, then it's just a popularity contest and "harmony" is more important than ideas. What's the point?
There's been an effort (online) in the last year to shift the semantics of the term, so that "white supremacists" might refer exclusively to performative white supremacists. That's pretty Orwellian, and there's no evidence it's catching on. I don't see a reason to dignify the effort. The term means what it obviously means.