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Re:The Bullshit Web by foepys on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:17PM (#17656158)
For the first, it's sufficient enough to just look at the number of page requests.

For the second, I never got explained to me how UX analysis really works for news sites. Isn't it enough to put 2 or 3 people in a room and show them a few variations of the UI? There isn't really much to publishing text, images, and a few graphs. Graphs are a very well explored field, I don't think you can learn more about them by just watching hot maps and click through rates.

Re:The Bullshit Web by TeMPOraL on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:39PM (#17656367)
I suspect there's lot of bullshitting happening around "UX analysis", with third-party "experts" offering analyses which may, or may not, show something significant. As long as everyone in the chain can convince their customer/superior that their work is useful, the money will flow, whether or not the work is actually useful.
Re:The Bullshit Web by cheezymoogle on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:01PM (#17656567)
That's one of the fundamental problems in tech today, namely:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Re:The Bullshit Web by rainonmoon on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:42PM (#17657944)
It absolutely isn't sufficient to look at the number of page requests. How do you discern like-reads vs hate-reads? How do you determine whether someone clicked on an article, read the first line, and then bailed vs read the whole thing? There are a heap of metrics used to determine engagement which factor into the material decisions referred to in the grandparent.
Re:The Bullshit Web by throwawaymath on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @10:21AM (#17662707)
Why do you need to track user behavior across unrelated domains to achieve any of that?
Re:The Bullshit Web by user5994461 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:37PM (#17657914)
It's pretty simple, try a few different designs with A/B testing and you will see which one has the most revenues.

However the result will usually be a lot of dark patterns. For instance, that's why you get popup to ask you to register.

Re:The Bullshit Web by soared on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @05:31PM (#17657388)
Server logs just aren't sufficient, no matter how many times hn says so. You don't get enough data to make data-driven decisions. Thats like giving a data scientist 1/3rd of the available data, and saying "thats good enough".

You'd expect ux to be a small unit, but that includes everyone who works on revenue-generating ads. Moving one tiny thing has a direct impact on revenue, which affects every person employed by nyt.

Re:The Bullshit Web by pathseeker on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @06:23PM (#17657818)
>Thats like giving a data scientist 1/3rd of the available data, and saying "thats good enough".

And it could easily be enough. Having 1/3 of a quantity of something doesn't mean you barely had enough before.