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Re:Learning Dexterity by visarga on Monday July 30, 2018 @01:18PM (#17646130)
> I don't quite get the "New Jobs will be created" fallacy.

Nobody 20 years ago would have imagined the job of mobile app developer. The mobile phone replaced many devices and probably many jobs in manufacturing, but also created new domains that we couldn't have imagined and empowered people in the developing world (and elsewhere).

> We need to address this now, otherwise i don't see a bright future for the generations to come.

You look at things the wrong way. Humans have always had a job which can't be taken away by corporations - the job of caring for oneself and one's needs. If we don't have corporate jobs, then we can become self reliant at individual, community and country level and find ways to support ourselves. We can build houses, teach children, provide medical care and many other things with jobless people for jobless people. We can even use automation for our own benefit, like we do with open source software.

Re:Learning Dexterity by pmichaud on Monday July 30, 2018 @01:35PM (#17646305)
Re:Learning Dexterity by wvenable on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:01PM (#17647016)
What you fail to address is that the success of software is that it does so much more with so much fewer people. A mobile app developer might be a new job but it actually replaces (indirectly) the jobs of dozens to hundreds of people. That's why it's a success in the first place.

My job as a developer is, in a real sense, to eliminate as much work from people as possible. If I wasn't doing that, there'd be no point to my job. We don't just make software for the hell of it.

Re:Learning Dexterity by visarga on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @12:18AM (#17650504)
No, what you're failing to understand is that the cell phone has created new opportunities even for the poorest people of the world. It opens up commerce, payments, short time borrowing, education, hiring, finding a spouse and many other things that lead to a successful life. On the whole it was a boon for humanity - in other words, it was worse for all of us, rich or poor, before it existed.
Re:Learning Dexterity by wvenable on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @11:41AM (#17654130)
The world may very well be a better place and frankly saving people from work is actually a good thing. But I disagree with the idea that the computer/mobile/AI revolution is adding more jobs than it takes away. There are not more app developers than their were factory laborers.

Most people would be surprised that US manufacturing is at the highest level in history. And they are surprised because manufacturing employment is at the lowest levels.

Is it good that Americans are not doing highly physically demanding manufacturing jobs? Sure. But what are the long term consequences of productivity without people? Every industry is more productive with drastically fewer people and they're improving on that equation every day. Not just factories but also white collar office work too. When self-driving vehicles become the norm, a massive amount of people will no longer have jobs.

Re:Learning Dexterity by lghh on Monday July 30, 2018 @01:35PM (#17646300)
Jobless people can't build the factory to manufacture the components to build the homes, though. Building a factory requires capital which (currently) cannot be acquired in process you're outlining.
Re:Learning Dexterity by visarga on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @10:48AM (#17653583)
We can also build homes with simpler construction materials and lots of hard work. We can make our own bricks and panels of wood.

Think of it this way: what would people who have lots of free time (no job) and lots of unfulfilled needs do? They would work to be self reliant if that would mean having a better life. There would be plenty of manpower. All we need is land and raw materials.

Re:Learning Dexterity by mikert5671 on Monday July 30, 2018 @04:59PM (#17647975)
This "new technology will create new jobs" is the biggest lie that economics ever told. The crises in the midwest in this country and the subsequent election of Donald Trump is a direct result of the displacement of American workers by technology and offshoring.