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Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by SamReidHughes on Sunday July 29, 2018 @01:49PM (#17639353)
No. Men can have kids with multiple women at the same time, but women can only have one man's baby at a time, i.e. the best possible option for them. A marriage with N men is one with N-1 cuckolds.

That's why polygamy has generally happened in only one direction throughout history.

Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by Latty on Sunday July 29, 2018 @02:07PM (#17639432)
You are making the (wrong) assumption that relationships are all about reproduction. Marriage has no requirement for reproduction.

The argument is also deeply flawed because "women can only have one man's baby at a time" ignores the fact that relationships last longer than a pregnancy. A woman could have two husbands and have kids with them sequentially, even in a world where the "having kids" part mattered.

Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by SamReidHughes on Sunday July 29, 2018 @02:21PM (#17639498)
There are all sorts of weird hypothetical marriages you could imagine (and we could grade them on a scale from 0 to 5 Macrons). Human behavior as a matter of fact does not normally work that way.
Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by qubax on Sunday July 29, 2018 @03:33PM (#17639841)
> You are making the (wrong) assumption that relationships are all about reproduction.

It's not wrong. It's based in biology.

> Marriage has no requirement for reproduction.

In the same way that getting a law degree doesn't have a requirement of getting a job as a lawyer. But generally, you get a law degree to become a lawyer. The reason marriage was created was for family creation.

> The argument is also deeply flawed because "women can only have one man's baby at a time" ignores the fact that relationships last longer than a pregnancy.

What? How is that a flaw? Sure it last longer than the pregnancy because the kid is there.

> A woman could have two husbands and have kids with them sequentially

Right. And a man can have two wives and have kids with them in parallel.

> even in a world where the "having kids" part mattered.

Of course it matters. It's the basis of existence. It's a biological imperative of pretty much every human being.

I can't believe you are arguing against that.

Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by Latty on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:55PM (#17658413)
It can matter, but it doesn't matter universally. Just because some, or even most, people want to reproduce, doesn't mean that has to be everyone's goal or plan.

People who can't or don't want to reproduce routinely get married. There is no legal requirement for reproduction, and people don't only get married for that reason.

You can't take the root causes for human behaviour and say they apply universally - e.g: humans want to eat more than they need to eat at that moment to stockpile a reserve - this behaviour is no longer relevant in most modern societies. Food is not about just fuelling our bodies today, even if that's the root of the behaviour "based in biology". Human desires and motives are distinct from the evolutionary reasons for them, and pretending they aren't is rejecting reality.

Your view is deeply and fundamentally flawed - it doesn't reflect reality as we see it in practice. Data models where you just throw away edge cases is failing to do the job well.

Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by maxerickson on Sunday July 29, 2018 @02:05PM (#17639425)
You are looking at pregnancy with modern eyes. It has not been uncommon to believe that a child could have multiple fathers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyandry

(specifically the part about partible paternity)

Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by SamReidHughes on Sunday July 29, 2018 @02:12PM (#17639460)
That has in fact been very uncommon.
Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by OscarCunningham on Sunday July 29, 2018 @04:04PM (#17639994)
Yeah, but your original comment was about database normalization. Generally you want your database to store all of your data, not just most of it.
Re:Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they ma... by empthought on Sunday July 29, 2018 @02:04PM (#17639421)
The Mosuo avoided this, but did so by putting societal expectations of child rearing and daily support on male relatives of the mother, and not on the father(s) of her child(ren).