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Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by gambiting on Friday July 27, 2018 @12:43PM (#17627250)
They still keep thinking that people will eventually treat it like they do gym memberships - buy them, but ultimately not use them. But there is a certain social expectation to have a gym membership and at least pretend you are doing something about your physical fitness. I have one through work and the last time I've been to that gym was over a year ago. But I can't be bothered to go to HR and actually cancel my account. But going to the gym sucks - and going to the movies does not. There is no reason to not use the movie pass once you have one. I'd be shocked if anything but an absolutely marginal percentage of their users were actually paying more than they were using.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by jonknee on Friday July 27, 2018 @12:47PM (#17627285)
And a critical difference, your gym doesn't lose actual money any time you visit. They may not want everyone to visit all the time, but it doesn't drain their bank account anytime you enter the door.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by tjbarkley on Friday July 27, 2018 @12:53PM (#17627317)
They lose a little money on equipment maintenance over time, but it's nothing like going to a movie.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by kristianc on Friday July 27, 2018 @01:18PM (#17627507)
I’d imagine even a moderately engaged gym user would lose the gym money on every visit, in staffing costs alone. The marginal cost of each user rises too, as people that are unable to get on machine are more likely to churn. It is however usually outweighed by the huge numbers of people who simply do nothing with their subscription.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by koolba on Friday July 27, 2018 @01:29PM (#17627601)
> I’d imagine even a moderately engaged gym user would lose the gym money on every visit, in staffing costs alone.

A gym user attending a gym doesn't incur significant additional staffing costs. The work required to clean the gym may increase a bit but that'd be nowhere near the price of even the cheapest gym memberships.

> The marginal cost of each user rises too, as people that are unable to get on machine are more likely to churn.

That's not a cost, it's a factor for the overall churn rate and marginal cost for acquiring a new user. It'd limit the max profitability of a gym (i.e. getting to churn = growth equilibrium) but it's not an operational cost.

Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by SilasX on Friday July 27, 2018 @07:58PM (#17630521)
>A gym user attending a gym doesn't incur significant additional staffing costs. The work required to clean the gym may increase a bit but that'd be nowhere near the price of even the cheapest gym memberships.

But that's not the right way to gauge "cost per member-usage". If you get a lot more usages, you will have to pay noticeably more for staff, maintenance, replacement, etc.

For comparison, how would you gauge the actual cost of sending a letter in the mail? Naively, you would say "well, you can't detect the cost of sending it in labor or fuel costs, so it's zero".

But that would be wrong. The right way is to say "how much would it cost to send a million more letters? The cost of one letter should be treated as one millionth of that" because, in the large, your marginal costs will scale that way as letter transmission goes up and down.

So yeah, the gym is, for all relevant purposes, bearing a small cost each time you use the gym.[1] It's just that, for the vast majority of members, all those usages cost them much less than the membership fee.

[1] I've heard figures of $1/visit but can't find at the moment.

Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by martin_bech on Friday July 27, 2018 @02:16PM (#17627916)
In my professional experience with gyms, the most expensive thing you can do, is use the treadmills a lot. They are the most expensive machinery, and most prone to breaking down.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by stuckinarut on Friday July 27, 2018 @04:53PM (#17629303)
I go to the gym and I interact with 1, sometimes 2 staff members. The people at the front who check my card and sometimes the guy who works in the locker room if I can't get mine open.

They are on staff anyways. It costs them nothing extra.

What is true is that they can understaff (and have less equipment) than if they had 100% regular participation.

Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by kalleboo on Saturday July 28, 2018 @02:22AM (#17631860)
The gym I went to before was 24/7 and completely unstaffed outside of daytime hours. When the place was unstaffed, a fingerprint reader was used to verify you were the owner of the card.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by stephengillie on Friday July 27, 2018 @01:00PM (#17627363)
Careless weight lifters can cause significant damage to a facility. Some users indeed can cost more than their membership. Especially if it causes the gym's landlord to raise the rates, or force an additional damage deposit, on the next lease renewal.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by ec109685 on Friday July 27, 2018 @10:11PM (#17631097)
If the rate of patrons went up sinficantly, it would become too crowded and folks would cancel their membership. The
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by httpz on Friday July 27, 2018 @06:37PM (#17630018)
Pretty much. I felt too guilty to cancel my gym membership so I paid for it for many months telling myself I'll go next time. I felt no guilt canceling MoviePass.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by gwbas1c on Sunday July 29, 2018 @12:31AM (#17636527)
A movie ticket doesn't cost that much... If you only go to the movies a few times a year, a subscription is an obvious gimmick.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by gambiting on Sunday July 29, 2018 @09:20AM (#17637978)
I disagree....where I am from(UK) the cinema is so incredibly expensive that I pretty much only see movies that I know I will like(big blockbusters) because I cannot risk spending £16 on a ticket and not linking the movie. And yes, you can sometimes buy tickets for £6-7, but that's usually only on specific days and times, which doesn't always work for me. Regular cinema is incredibly expensive.
Re:MoviePass couldn’t afford to pay for movie tickets on Thu... by stuckinarut on Friday July 27, 2018 @04:52PM (#17629287)
Gym memberships don't cost the gym more everytime people use them.