My previous had a monorepo for the website and backend (but not the mobile apps) which was insane to work with (as a coder I had a dedicated 128 core box to work on, some engineers had more than one, less intense engineers shared one) and a substantial amount of my time was spent just finding code. I guess most engineers just end up working in some nook and so that searching code constantly becomes less of an issue (it never did for me) but the code / debug cycle was dreadful.

I should add that a huge amount was invested in tooling. We had an in-house IDE with debug tools that could step through serverside code. We had a highly optimized code search tool. We had modified a major version control system so it could handle our codebase. (Indeed we picked our version control system because we needed to fork it and the other major version control system was less amenable to our PRs.)

My current job we have a micro service architecture and lots of small, focused repos. Each repo is self-documented. Anyone can checkout and build anything. We don’t need obscene dev servers. We have not hugely invested in tools or workflow.

Client apps are unavoidably larger repos than the services apps.

Based on my personal experience, I think monorepos are nuts.

You seem to have conflated a bunch of different things and confused them with a monolithic repository. There's no reason why a monorepo requires you to have a gigantic development box ... you identify and compile only the transitive dependencies of your target, not every line of code in the repo.

I recently saw a question on quora asking whether the free food at Google boosted productivity. The reply that seemed strange at thwt time was being able to focus on their job and not having to do a bunch of stuff is what boosted productivity at Google.

I get some perspective from the comments above. There is seemingly an army of engineers at Google that keeps the monorepo functioning. I was at a meeting about bazel and angular. I thought I'd ask how they do things at Google. To my surprise, the presenter said he is not at liberty to discuss how things work at Google. I guess it wasn't so surprising in hindsight. I mean what would I do with that information, right? It would be way too overkill for my tiny crud application.

How is this

   company
     /ProjectA
       /.git
     /ProjectB
       /.git

easier to browse than this?

   company
     /.git
     /ProjectA
     /ProjectB

You still need to find the project A repo if you don't use monorepos. And even if you do use monorepos everything doesn't have to be one monoloithic build hogging down your IDE, you can still have microservices with the code for each hosted in the same repo. You seem to conflate monorepo with lots of other things.

In the former each project is a self contained unit and if I'm working on project B I can forget project A even exists, which is lovely caused I've got enough to deal with on B as is. Each project can be branched individually, the log of project B is not polluted with commits to project A, I can rebase and not get a bunch of commits I don't care about.

The later forces me to be aware of the entire universe in that repo.

In the later you can also forget project A exist. git log works in subdirectories out of the box and if you didn't touch any files in project A a rebase will be trivial without any merge conflicts. Branching is also free (unless you are still in the SVN stoneage that requires a copy of each file) so it doesn't matter if you branch the whole monorepo or just a single project.

> unless you are still in the SVN stoneage that requires a copy of each file

Maybe you are thinking of CVS? In SVN, creating branches has always been cheap in both space and time.

We had this same experience with a large golang project, consisting of about 8 individual services. Switching to a monorepo made it incredibly easy to make changes to common code and inter-service communication. Huge breath of fresh air.

A single team is really helpful. Where I’ve seen it get particularly unhelpful is with multiple teams. I’m also not opposed to the concept, I just think it requires work to do correctly.

how do you create branches in mono repo?

for example I want to use branch rev5 from project A and rev3 from project B

how I do that in a mono repo, I could not do it in HG, but sure about GIT

Depends on the system. When I used to manage SVN we would branch independent projects and then releases would be a snapshot of each into the server section of the repo. Those were then pulled down to their respective machines.

In SVN a branch is simply a convention. You copy (almost zero cost) things around into your branches directory

Branch rev5 of project A's folder into a folder in your project's folder, branch rev3 of project B's folder into a folder in your project's folder. Get your project to refer to its own copy, rather than the shared copies you branch from. (This isn't quite like git submodules, but that's probably the closest thing git has.)

You do the usual 3-way merge thing to push your changes upstream, or pull upstream changes into your copy. As with git, the VCS tracks which revision of upstream your copy is up to date with, which is how it determines the base for the 3-way merge.

Can’t you create a branch and merge the two branches you are interested in into that?

my understanding, if you branch, you branch the entire repo, (not sure about some special case extensions ) if you have two projects stored in a single repo, you are forced to use whatever rev at for each project at a point of branch rev 5543 for example

In Perforce, which is more or less what Google is using, you can branch any directory within the repo. (You would never branch the whole repo; that makes no sense.) So if you wanted to construct a directory with one version of one subdirectory, and a different version of another subdirectory, that's quite straightforward.

Google branches google for releases. Otherwise, you would end up with version skew across dependencies, which would be a mess.

Yep, and if you want to keep folders you didn't branch up to date with master you have to continuously rebase.

Not having it this way would be equivalent to having subrepo that refers to HEAD instead of a specific commit which is normally considered an big anti-pattern.

The best remedy is to not do branching like this in the first place, just try to stay on trunk all the time.

Just curious how small is small ? How many kloc ? How many people ?