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Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by chmaynard on Saturday July 21, 2018 @07:28PM (#17584409)
Advice to talented professionals everywhere:

If you have reached the age of 30, you should already own your home. If not, buy a home immediately. NOW. If you can't afford anything decent close to your place of employment, quit your job and move somewhere where homes are more affordable. Your future happiness depends on it.

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by twblalock on Saturday July 21, 2018 @07:55PM (#17584511)
Plenty of people happily rent for their entire lives, all over the world. Many of them could afford homes but choose not to buy them.

It’s ridiculous to say that happiness depends on home ownership, and equally ridiculous to pick an arbitrary age like 30 to serve as a benchmark.

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by chmaynard on Saturday July 21, 2018 @08:52PM (#17584690)
I agree that age 30 is an arbitrary choice. Here's why I chose that age. My view is that, at least from the perspective of young professionals, employment in Silicon Valley is similar to graduate education. In terms of your earning potential, the skills and experience you will gain is equivalent to a Ph.D. By age 30 or so, your "graduate education" should be complete and it's time to transition to adulthood. Part of being an adult is owning a home and gaining all the advantages, both financial and psychological, that home ownership offers.
Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by kyledrake on Saturday July 21, 2018 @09:25PM (#17584776)
> Part of being an adult is owning a home and gaining all the advantages, both financial and psychological, that home ownership offers.

Becoming intensely in debt (thereby forcing myself to work more) by buying into a ridiculously overpriced housing market, locking me to a single physical location that is destroying itself through disgustingly selfish infrastructure planning is not my idea of an advantage, financially or psychologically. I've never lived or visited anywhere in my life that has screwed itself up as much as the Bay Area has - they'll be lucky to be growing as well as Gary, Indiana at the rate things are going. The prices are not justified by wage increases (wages aren't matching price increases) or increasing population (the bay area is now starting to lose population), and combined with the idiotic local and federal politics + trade war economics, have nowhere to go but down.

On the contrary, I contend anyone that depends on the current prices for survival is a bag holder making an extremely risky bet. The evidence is already there that the bet is not going to pay off. My advice: unless you're very wealthy and don't care, or your plan is to go underwater in the world's most expensive retirement community, get out, now. If things go south, liquidity will be far more important for your financial and psychological soundness than debt on a sinking asset in a shrinking regional economy will be.

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Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by gtaylor on Saturday July 21, 2018 @09:47PM (#17584842)
Couldn't disagree more. I am 32, have a kid, a diverse portfolio, and no desire to own a home. We have excellent mobility, I don't have to spend a moment thinking about unexpected housing expenditures, and I got a great deal on rent. I am optimizing for flexibility and am very happy in doing so.

Don't buy a house because you feel like it's what you are supposed to do!

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by lgregg on Sunday July 22, 2018 @12:19AM (#17585261)
I've never understood the view of owning a home to live in, it doesn't make sense to me financially. Perhaps because I didn't grow up here in the US. I'd rather buy a home and rent it, or buy a duplex somewhere else and rent units.
Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by conanbatt on Sunday July 22, 2018 @01:38AM (#17585420)
Ridiculous advice. Home and landowners can be first in line to getting shafted in an economic downturn
Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by eat_veggies on Saturday July 21, 2018 @07:37PM (#17584444)
Can you elaborate on this? I'm nowhere near 30 yet, but I'm curious as to why my future happiness will depend on it.
Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by toomuchtodo on Saturday July 21, 2018 @07:47PM (#17584480)
The longer you wait, the more you’re priced out of the market and reliant on the whims of a landlord.

Now, one could argue we’re at the peak of the current business cycle and asset prices are overly inflated. And there might be merit to that. In that case, look for real estate bargains where you’ll have equity on day one (short sales, foreclosures, assets priced below their fair market value).

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by usaar333 on Sunday July 22, 2018 @02:12AM (#17585494)
> The longer you wait, the more you’re priced out of the market and reliant on the whims of a landlord.

That's only true if the value of your portfolio or salary aren't increasing faster than the market.

I've personally teared up in housing about every other year. It would have been much more difficult to do this is I owned rather than rented.

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by ci5er on Monday July 23, 2018 @11:30AM (#17593396)
> teared up in housing

What does this mean? Moved? Every two years? Sounds horrible. Don't you have any hobbies to fill your time?

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by usaar333 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @12:26AM (#17615046)
Autocorrect fail. Tiered.

Yes, moved every two years. Not ideal, but couldn't have afforded the places I moved into two years earlier and moving produces high quality of life gain.

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by ci5er on Thursday July 26, 2018 @05:18PM (#17621254)
> Not ideal, but couldn't have afforded the places I moved into two years earlier and moving produces high quality of life gain.

Maybe it's years living in substandard student housing, or years in "not-in-the-US" housing, or even a couple of years being effectively homeless, but anytime I get more situated than living out of one suitcase and one computer bag, I find moving to be a burden that (generally) outweighs what you call the quality-of-life gain. That's me, and I'm probably inertia oriented in everything except the companies I start/assist/work-for. I love tuning the business to be better. But I often just go home, maybe to a dump or dive, and open a can of tuna fish for dinner. (My kids don't seem to understand that either - so I'm guessing this isn't normal)

EDIT: My (now) ex-wife lives in a nice house, with a fair number of upgrades, in a nice neighborhood. And my kids get to live there too - nice schools too. So, that's nice. But I don't think it is anything I would have ever invested in or developed for myself without her prodding. (Which might be why she divorced me, but I suspect it was probably slightly more complicated than that. But, still, it probably should have been enough!)

Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by chmaynard on Saturday July 21, 2018 @08:20PM (#17584597)
Sure. I rented for many years in Cupertino and Los Altos while I worked at Apple. Now I realize that that was a serious mistake. I want to encourage young professionals in Silicon Valley to avoid making the same mistake. Rather than attract more downvotes, I'm happy to discuss this offline. My email is [email protected].
Re:Investing Outside the Bay Area by volkfish55 on Saturday July 21, 2018 @10:45PM (#17585021)
You only regret it because it went up. Hindsight is 20/20. You rented for a reason, you decided not to take a risk.