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Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by cpursley on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:19PM (#17569456)
> no vagrants

I used to live in American suburbia; it was full of vagrants. I had to call the police on several occasions.

> your own little bit of green space

Meh. I used to loath cutting the grass. Now I'm in quick walking distance to several large very green parks.

> But it's more expensive

Is it really vs the costs of maintaining a single-family home and having to own and maintain a vehicle(s) for commuting?

> louder, more polluted

The city I live in now is cleaner than the suburb that I lived in (trash cleanup is more frequent) and generally quieter.

Full disclosure: I'm living in a European city (vs. an American city)

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by rootusrootus on Thursday July 19, 2018 @07:04PM (#17571125)
> I used to live in American suburbia; it was full of vagrants. I had to call the police on several occasions.

I've never seen a vagrant within several miles of my neighborhood. It would be such a terrible place to be vagrant, with a relatively low population density and mediocre public transit. There's a reason they don't hang out in my neighborhood, they do much better in the city.

> I used to loath cutting the grass.

Yeah, I'm not a fan either. However, I pay someone about 1/8th of the HOA fee for the place in the city to have my yard kept tidy for me.

> Is it really vs the costs of maintaining a single-family home and having to own and maintain a vehicle(s) for commuting?

I don't drive a particularly expensive car, and my house is still pretty new so just the HOA fee alone for the place in the city is quite a lot more expensive.

> The city I live in now is cleaner than the suburb that I lived in (trash cleanup is more frequent) and generally quieter.

I'm guessing you lived in a very different sort of suburb than I do, based on how you describe it. I live in a residential area of a very small city ("oldest west of the Rockies" is our only real claim to fame) on the edge of a mid-size metro in a liberal state. It's very clean, low traffic, there are several parks in easy walking distance (not just my yard ;-)), the school my kids go to is about a hundred yards away, etc. I'd have to pay twice as much for half as much if I wanted to live in the city, and I'd be irritated all the time by noisy people. Maybe I am a little antisocial ;-).