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Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by jhasse on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @10:21AM (#17558631)
> They are clearly related as a suite of applications which form the core experience of what is called “Android”.

I'm using Android every day and never once opened Chrome (instead I'm using the Lightning browser) or used the Google app to search (I'm just searching directly in my browser). So IMHO that's definitely NOT the core experience of Android, while the Play Store is.

Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by endorphone on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @11:01AM (#17559028)
Neat. So the OS allowed you to choose alternatives and to avoid Chrome wholly. So you're fully of the opinion that the EU argument has no merit then, right?

Of course, saying it's a part of the Android/Google Experience is from the average consumer. You know that you have the Chrome browser if you so choose. Yes, you can go to the Play Store and install Firefox. Unlike on iOS where the browser alternatives are facades.

Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by jhasse on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @11:07AM (#17559095)
It's the same argument as with Microsoft vs. the EU regarding IE: Defaults are important when you have a monopoly.
Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by joshuamorton on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @11:19AM (#17559217)
I'm pretty sure that an important part of the Microsoft argument was that you couldn't uninstall ie and it was used by certain system functions even if you set a different default. That's an important distinction.

(Im a Googler, but that's not particularly relevant to this comment)

Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by jhasse on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @04:28PM (#17561803)
I can't uninstall Chrome on my LG Android phone either.
Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by joshuamorton on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @04:38PM (#17561867)
No, but you can fully disable it (and that's equivalent to uninstalling, and wasn't possible on windows).
Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by datalist on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @06:25PM (#17562558)
That is certainly not the equivalent as it still occupies storage.

Also, you could actually uninstall IE. That only uninstalled the shell, not the libraries (as there were dependencies) but it was gone in terms of the application.

Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by xg15 on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @02:33PM (#17560926)
An "app" on Android is not a traditional executable. It's really a library and a collection of OS hooks that execute code from that library on various events.

The home screen icon is one of those hooks but by far not the only one. If I hide it or never press it, that implies exactly nothing about whether or not code from the app gets executed while I use the phone.

Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by esrauch on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @11:57AM (#17559518)
I've never gone into the Bluetooth settings on my phone, that doesnt mean it's abusive that it was already there on my phone when I bought it.
Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by jhasse on Friday July 27, 2018 @03:33AM (#17624155)
OEMs can change the Bluetooth settings though.
Re:European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitr... by phobosdeimos on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @10:45AM (#17558866)
Same. The Android experience is being able to choose your own browser, media player, email app etcetera.

I know ecosystems make corporations a lot of money and some people prefer them. And they can choose an iPhone or Pixel.