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Re:Cloudflare, Mozilla, Fastly, and Apple Working on Encrypt... by xg15 on Monday July 16, 2018 @08:33AM (#17540770)
Even on desktop, some non-browser programs already seem to use cert-pinning. E.g., there doesn't seem to be a way at all to inspect the traffic of the Dropbox client on Windows, short of patching the executable. The situation is likely worse on mobile.

So no, I don't think that's an easily solvable problem. And yes, I also think it's a giant mess.

Even from a security standpoint it doesn't seem to make sense: We're fortifying the connections itself against sniffing but at the same time force everything to go through centralized cloud services which have a growing reputation to be hacked and also force everyone to blindly trust the programs they have running on their own devices.

To put on my tinfoil hat, this kind of threat model sometimes seems better designed to protect surveillance capitalism against attacks instead of protecting the users.

Re:Cloudflare, Mozilla, Fastly, and Apple Working on Encrypt... by zeta0134 on Monday July 16, 2018 @05:05PM (#17545118)
I mean, no one's forcing me to blindly trust programs I run on my own devices. I make a point of only running open source software for this reason. I don't need to inspect the traffic if I can simply read the source code and look for outgoing calls. I won't run Dropbox for this exact reason. Instead I prefer SyncThing, which has no data caps, no central server, and is open source and easy to inspect.

Obviously I'm not actually reading all this source code (who has the time?), but I strongly prefer it to be available, so that I have the ability if desired. Also for reasonably popular stuff the community tends to suss out suspicious activity pretty quickly.

I absolutely do not trust proprietary blobs; they don't get to run on any of my real workstations. I might run them on my Windows install (primarily for games) if I must, and the computer I use for work gets to run anything my company declares that I need (thankfully not much), but I certainly don't trust them.

Re:Cloudflare, Mozilla, Fastly, and Apple Working on Encrypt... by paulddraper on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @12:13AM (#17555537)
> Also for reasonably popular stuff the community tends to suss out suspicious activity pretty quickly.

Unless it's ImageMagick, OpenSSH, WordPress, or any number of other things.

Re:Cloudflare, Mozilla, Fastly, and Apple Working on Encrypt... by danjoc on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @01:04AM (#17547443)
>The situation is likely worse on mobile.

You might think so, but not really. Any app you install on Android can watch what you do online in any other app, with no permissions at all.

https://hackernoon.com/android-gives-apps-full-access-to-you...