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Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by achow on Sunday July 15, 2018 @12:13PM (#17535816)
Excerpts from infamous mini-msft blog (in 2005 another msft employee venting anonymously):

"I mean, what has he done or not done that is impacting the stock?"

- along with Gates, made decisions that resulted in the company being found guilty of breaking the law twice(and counting)resulting in fines, restrictions...

- along with Gates, invested over $10B of cash in failed telecom investments that ended up being written off

- failed to make any meaningful investments at the bottom of the market crash when numerous companies were available for cheap..

- invested $10B's in various "emerging" businesses that even years later represent only about 10% of MSFT's revenue, aren't growing at even 10%..

- approved the onerous Licensing 6 program when many companies were hurting economically thereby pissing off a good portion of our customers and fueling the move to Open Source.

- has been at the helm as MSFT failed to take security seriously and then has had to drop everything to play catch up, missed the paid search move and had to play catch up, missed the move to web services and had to play catch up, missed the portable music wave and had to play catch up, let IE stagnate and had to play catch up, and now seemingly can't ship any major product on time even stripped of formerly core features (can you say Longhorn, CRM, SQL, VS, etc. etc. etc?).

Continued...

http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2005/03/old-school-competencies...

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by sonnyblarney on Sunday July 15, 2018 @05:17PM (#17537132)
During Ballmers tenure, the company massively increased it's revenues and profits, and they were exceptional in other areas.

'Missed paid search' and 'missed music player' etc. etc. are all haughty claims - MS was never an internet oriented business, it's like saying 'Oracle missed the search business' - well sure. Just like Google missed social? Or Facebook missed mobile? Or missed photo-sharing?

I'm no fan of Ballmer or MSFT, but if the goal of MSFT is to make money via decent products that work well enough in the eyes of their buyers, he did that. Just not in the way that you might want or expect them to.

I like Satya more, but give it a few years and we can judge then.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by nojvek on Sunday July 15, 2018 @10:20PM (#17538320)
Satya is already wayyyy more succesful as a CEO than Steve Ballmer ever was. MSFT stock price took a big dip after 2000 and never recovered in Ballmer from 2000 - 2014. He was a decent CEO in the sense that he didn't kill MSFT like Marissa Mayer did to Yahoo.

He missed a ton of opportunities and messed a lot of things like Nokia and Skype acquisitions that barely panned out. He let Apple and Google steal the mobile show when Windows Mobile had been the smart phone king for a long time. Microsoft used to be #1, now they are behind Apple, Amazon and Google.

Granted, he was good at milking the Windows and Office cash cows that had been gifted to him from Gates era, but he spent an insane amount of money on things that never panned out.

MSFT has a lot of money in the bank account so I'm sure they'll be fine even if they put a rock in the CEO seat.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by jaredklewis on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:44AM (#17539025)
> like Marissa Mayer did to Yahoo

Sorry to nitpick, but for some reason this comment irks me. Your comment seems to imply that yahoo was healthy, they hired Mayer, and then Yahoo died as a result.

Yahoo was a sinking ship, and it would have been a tough turn around for anyone.

Not that I think Mayer was the world’s best CEO or anything, but the idea that she “killed” yahoo seems absurd. It’s like accusing a surgeon of killing someone that died in ER surgery; the reason the person was in the ER in the first place was because they were dying.

Microsoft dying under Ballmer would have been night and day different as Microsoft was basically the world’s most valuable company, not a clusterfuck like 2012 yahoo.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by nojvek on Monday July 16, 2018 @02:07AM (#17539100)
Yahoo was behind, agreed! They had so many opportunities to sell though. Microsoft was willing to buy Yahoo at a huge premium and it didn’t go through. Good for MSFT.

In ER terms, the surgeon could have cut the leg off and saved the person, but got a bit too greedy and ended up killing the person by trying to save everything.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by cepth on Monday July 16, 2018 @09:13AM (#17541007)
Just to be clear, Microsoft tried to buy Yahoo for $45 billion in 2008, long before Marissa Mayer was CEO.

As the parent comment notes, your previous comment seems to suggest some kind of causation between Mayer’s tenure as CEO and the eventual breakup and sale of Yahoo. This is the fallacy known in poker as “resulting”.

Nicholas Carlson’s “Marissa Mayer and the Fight to Save Yahoo” is a fair account of her first few years at Yahoo. Keep in mind that when she joined, there was something like a total dozen mobile engineers at Yahoo. The company had burned through 3 CEOs in a decade, etc.

Mayer was not a perfect CEO in terms of strategic vision or her choice of acquisition targets, but I don’t think her time as CEO was particularly bad either.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by nojvek on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:33AM (#17541532)
I believe I got my facts wrong. Thanks for changing my perspective.
Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by sonnyblarney on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:32AM (#17538978)
No. The stock crash was really not about Ballmer, you can't blame it on him - he basically just took over as the whole world was going under.

Also - Satya has not yet had any real such things to 'miss'.

AI and blockchain are not products, there are no household-name dollar companies coming around on that yet.

It will be some time before we can judge Satya.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by nojvek on Monday July 16, 2018 @02:12AM (#17539121)
Should have specified that. Other tech companies recovered better from the crash than MSFT did. Once Satya came on, it’s been a nice rise. It’s a clear cut difference. I used to work at MSFT. We all felt it. Satya thought about things very differently than Ballmer.
Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by sonnyblarney on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:41AM (#17539452)
Ballmer massively increased MSFT's business.

Revenues grew quite substantially under him.

Under Satya ... not so much.

Have a look here: [1]

Satya is a better communicator, and he seems like a nicer guy. This is naturally going to make employees 'feel better', but really that may not be what drives the business.

The stock price was obviously trailing revenues for whatever reason, maybe analysts just didn't like Ballmer, but irrespective, he massively grew the business and the reflection in stock price would have been inevitable.

Jury is still out on Satya.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/267805/microsofts-global...

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by mgkimsal on Sunday July 15, 2018 @10:05PM (#17538268)
> it's like saying 'Oracle missed the search business'

did Oracle spend lots of $ and resources trying to get in to search?

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by sonnyblarney on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:34AM (#17538983)
If MS didn't then they would be lambasted just the same.

As it stands, at least MSFT has a presence which entails at least strategic advantage. Not trying would be worse than trying and failing.

But it doesn't matter - they're not a search company, it's such a different beast. Why on earth do people expect that MSFT should have been the king of that domain I have no idea.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by Adrock on Sunday July 15, 2018 @03:55PM (#17536742)
I'll add one more: https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/09/06/microsoft-stock-hi...

Take a look at the chart. Ballmer was CEO from January 2000 to February 2014.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by Delmania on Sunday July 15, 2018 @06:32PM (#17537469)
In the words of John Gruber of Daring Fireball, Ballmer knows how to make money. People will disagree with his decisions but the results don’t lie.
Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by justin66 on Sunday July 15, 2018 @08:06PM (#17537831)
> Take a look at the chart.

...and keep in mind that it doesn't capture the money paid out in dividends for over a decade.

Re:What I Learned Working for Steve Ballmer by Fnoord on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:48PM (#17544454)
Yeah, wasn't there some kind of thing as "splits" which skews the stock price? Or is that it?