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Re:No Paper Is That Good by coldtea on Friday July 13, 2018 @08:14AM (#17522216)
>The best papers get up to around .20. Again, No Paper Is That Good. If you demur, consider this: In twenty years, will you still hold up the best papers of today as “paragons” or “exemplars” of compelling empirical work?

If the field is not totally vague, then yes. We can still consider certain papers in physics, or chemistry, or medicine, computer science etc. as exemplary decades, or even centuries, later, even when they deal with empirical work.

Soft sciences need not apply.

Re:No Paper Is That Good by Jweb_Guru on Friday July 13, 2018 @05:28PM (#17526865)
Nonsense. Plenty of old computer science papers don't hold up well to scrutiny or are largely irrelevant nowadays, such as those that were trying to optimize for bottlenecks in hardware that no longer exist or have shifted to different places. Even in pure mathematics, something that was considered a great insight a long time ago might be considered fairly trivial now, and not just because the other paper came out first. Just because a paper is correct doesn't make it interesting or worthwhile--a lot of the best papers have errors in them, but propose something that's a genuinely new contribution to the field.
Re:No Paper Is That Good by coldtea on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:28AM (#17529398)
>Nonsense. Plenty of old computer science papers don't hold up well to scrutiny or are largely irrelevant nowadays

Nonsense, knee-jerk answer.

First, we don't need all of them to "hold up well to scrutiny" but just 2 (as per TFA challenge). And we have way more than just 2 -- hundreds of great papers.

Second, the papers "that were trying to optimize for bottlenecks in hardware that no longer exist or have shifted to different places" can still be perfectly valid as per the challenge we have, which was:

1) that they were not "full of mistakes and bad reasoning", 2) that they did not "contain little or no original work" (and where thus just references and meta-papers)

The question wasn't if we have "plenty of" papers that are bad, or plenty of papers that were very good but have been super-ceded by changes in technology.

Just that we have at least 2 (and I argue we have way more than two) seminal papers that have original work, and are not full of mistakes and bad reasoning.

Re:No Paper Is That Good by UncleMeat on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:50PM (#17525082)
> Soft sciences need not apply

Why not? Historians still revere Braudel and The Mediterranean was published nearly 70 years ago. Are you certain that there are no such exemplary works outside of the fields you like?

Re:No Paper Is That Good by coldtea on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:44PM (#17525619)
No, but I'm certain that whether revered or not, Braudel's work is still "full of mistakes and bad reasoning" -- it's just that in history those are harder to tell.
Re:No Paper Is That Good by AnimalMuppet on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:44PM (#17524486)
Absolutely. Others have cited Shannon's paper on information theory. I would add Einstein's paper on Special Relativity. I read a translation of it on the 100th anniversary of its release, and I learned something, even though I already knew Special Relativity.

(What did I learn? I don't remember precisely - it's been 15 years - but I think it was that something on the electromagnetic side was caused by time dilation.)