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Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by antpls on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:35PM (#17517358)
If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented.

To me, it seems a restricted variant on the specific cases "if" and "while" would be good enough, without generalizing to more cases.

The exemples of assignment with "all()" and "any()" make me sad. Python had only one way of doing things, now it has two.

Reading Python code will be more complicated now than it was 10 years ago for newcomers

Edit : I'm sick of all the downvotes on HN. Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus, it ruins the karma, even if the comment is honest. And of course, I can't downvote people, since people keep downvoting me, I never reach the threshold to vote against any comment. The system is unfair to newcomers.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by protomyth on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:03PM (#17517605)
> If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented.

There is really nothing in the e-mail that indicates that.

I can only imagine the message it would send to recall the PEP. I guess it would confirm his decision in a most callous way.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by antpls on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:10PM (#17517656)
Some people on Internet are reconsidering a second vote for the Brexit, while that PEP didn't even have a vote at all, given it was a dictatorship so far.

Guido wrote the principles of Python, the principles should outlive his reign. :-)

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by protomyth on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:37PM (#17520129)
> Some people on Internet are reconsidering a second vote for the Brexit

That really isn't a fair comparison. This is about one person, not two opposing groups.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by antpls on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:04PM (#17524108)
What I meant is, even if democracy isn't perfect (see the Brexit case), a form of democracy maybe a better system in some situation than the dictatorship of one person.
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by daxorid on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:02PM (#17518138)
> Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus

Downvoting was, long ago, supposed to be used to indicate trolling, incivility, not substantive, etc. Sometime recently, dang and sctb have ruled that downvoting for disagreement is now perfectly acceptable.

In any event, I agree it's become a terrible method of hivemind enforcement. Have an upvote.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by detaro on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:27PM (#17518328)
> Sometime recently, dang and sctb have ruled that downvoting for disagreement is now perfectly acceptable.

You are wrong about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by dang on Friday July 13, 2018 @10:31AM (#17523238)
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by antpls on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:25PM (#17518320)
That is what I thought too. I read HN since so many years. Perfect example of a rating system turning into a bad censorship.
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by tomhoward on Thursday July 12, 2018 @06:31PM (#17519163)
pg asserted that downvoting is fine to be used for disagreement in Feb 2008, when HN was less than a year old:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by antpls on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:15AM (#17521730)
I don't care about pg tho
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by dang on Friday July 13, 2018 @10:32AM (#17523243)
The point is simply that he set the pattern for this site.
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by antpls on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:57AM (#17524022)
Things have to change at some point, that's why Guido is taking a permanent vacation.
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by tomhoward on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:55PM (#17527818)
The assertion being made, that you seemed to be endorsing, was that downvoting used to be only for incivil or troll comments, but that has changed recently under the newer moderation team.

As pg’s 2008 quote shows, that assertion is wrong.

Whether it should change now is a separate issue, but there seems to be no mood for that among the more active contributors to HN.