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Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by WilliamEdward on Thursday July 12, 2018 @11:40AM (#17515666)
it doesn't have to be an endless hierarchy of people looking over one another. For example, we could watch the people that watch us.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by gbacon on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:30PM (#17518348)
We watch, we note abuses, they launch internal investigations, and they conclude that nothing was wrong.

Case closed. Pay your taxes, citizen. Thank you; drive through.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by comex on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:10PM (#17520047)
> We watch, we note abuses, they launch internal investigations, and they conclude that nothing was wrong.

And then, occasionally, there are protests in the streets, people start running for office pledging to fix the abuses, we vote for them, and things slowly start to change.

Alternately, sometimes we sue them, or else a state or federal attorney general sues them; the matter ends up in the judicial system, and the behavior is reviewed by an independent judge – albeit only for violations of law, not of sense.

As avenues for redress, both of these are highly imperfect, with well-known limits and failure cases; but they’re not nothing.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by wool_gather on Friday July 13, 2018 @08:48AM (#17522451)
Exactly: soap, ballot, jury, and hopefully we never get to the last step.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by throwaway5752 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:39PM (#17516871)
Yes, that's basically democracy in a nutshell.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by peacetreefrog on Thursday July 12, 2018 @11:48AM (#17515737)
Even if we're all watching each other, we still all have our own incentives and not so obvious irrationalities.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by aalleavitch on Thursday July 12, 2018 @12:50PM (#17516416)
Then the problem becomes identifying and accounting for these incentives and irrationalities.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by loa-in-backup on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:45AM (#17522054)
We solved these kind of problems: electronic systems in space have multiple redundancies, where the result returned by most of them is picked as input to other systems. This ensures that one system's quirks are kept in check
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by dqpb on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:11PM (#17516624)
We don't even have a handle on what constitutes rational incentives/behavior, let alone irrational ones.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hanshan on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:03PM (#17516541)
>we could watch the people that watch us.

If this were possible, there would be no authority

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by loa-in-backup on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:18PM (#17516687)
Careful, this might sound intuitive but be deathly wrong
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hanshan on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:45PM (#17518444)
Care to elaborate on your concerns? We're obviously speaking theoretically here at a high level of abstraction
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by loa-in-backup on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:42AM (#17522038)
My concern is that it might be possible to watch each other while keeping authority. You say it's not possible as if there was some kind of proof.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hanshan on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:04PM (#17524692)
If everyone can watch everyone with equal transparency, that would seem to imply a distributed system with information symmetry, which is antithetical to centralized authority. If there was a central authority/super admin in such a system, how would you keep them from covertly creating information asymmetry?