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Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by baybal2 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:18AM (#17514836)
I'm surprised. Chinese EV makers have aced the "nothing special" EV sedan niche under $30k and are popping them out non-stop.

I guess, a part of "Apple disease" of around mid-20xx. Teslas are so distinct from mainline cars under the bonnet, that they can't source much components on open market, big part of manufacturing equipment have to be custom made, and they can't outsource anything.

Chinese makers on other hands just gut existing economy sedans, and put batteries in place of motor, and PMDCs on rear axle, without any extra magic involved.

Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by jeffreyrogers on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:42AM (#17515058)
They can't pass US (and I would imagine European) crash test requirements.
Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by gcb0 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @11:22AM (#17515498)
like japanese cars couldn't pass US crash tests in the 80s? How well that worked out for US automakers?
Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by cptskippy on Thursday July 12, 2018 @12:28PM (#17516161)
You're confusing tenses I think, can't not couldn't.

Chinese cars today CAN'T pass safety standards today. That doesn't preclude them form passing in the future. It just means if you bought a Chinese car today and tested it against US safety standards today, it would fail.

Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by gcb0 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:46PM (#17520156)
the ONLY reason they don't pass today is because they are not exporting to the US today. that argument is pedantic.
Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by pwinnski on Friday July 13, 2018 @09:41AM (#17522877)
Possibly true. Then again, when the Mini was imported to the US as the Mini Cooper, it had to be bulked up so that the American version is much less-mini than the UK, removing some of its appeal.

I'm sure Chinese companies can produce EV sedans that pass US crash tests, obviously, but can they do so while they remain cheap? We won't know unless and until they try.

Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by gcb0 on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:51PM (#17527553)
those are different things now. there is a joke that a car model will always get bigger. and a different model will show up to re-fill the market that wanted the small car.
Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by jeffreyrogers on Thursday July 12, 2018 @12:10PM (#17515970)
Sure, I'm not saying they can't catch up, but meeting US crash test requirements will probably cause prices to go up. Plus labor is significantly cheaper in China. There are certainly things China can do much more efficiently in the US, but many of those efficencies shrink when you have to pay US labor costs and comply with US regulations. Of course, you could deregulate and allow more immigration to the US to compensate, but both of these are hard sells politically.
Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by dsfyu404ed on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:21AM (#17514866)
I'm no Tesla fanboy but I'd wager that those 30k sedans don't include the cost of complying with US and European regulation and customer expectations.
Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by adventured on Thursday July 12, 2018 @10:29AM (#17514951)
You're stretching the premise too far.

It's pretty clear the big auto makers will eventually be able to mass produce cheap EVs. There's nothing particularly special about them, and battery prices will continue to fall for some time yet.

A 2018 Toyota Camry in the US has a base price of $23,645.

Others: Toyota Carolla $18,700; Nissan Altima $23,260; Nissan Sentra $16,990; Honda Accord $23,570; Honda Civic $18,940; Ford Fusion $22,215; Chevy Cruze $16,975; Chevy Malibu $21,680; Chevy Impala $27,895; Hyundai Elantra $14,450; Hyundai Sonata $18,550.

If we can build all of those at such low prices, EVs will commonly get down there globally given 15-20 years.

Re:Will the Model 3 make Tesla a real car company? by pjc50 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @11:04AM (#17515312)
Do you have some example make/model for sale we can check out on the Internet?