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Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by sametmax on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:22AM (#17512810)
> Have you seen a pack of animals or plants jointly deciding to voluntarily forgo extra food

Actually, the only animals I know to become obese are humans, and animals that are attached to humans.

You may say it's because they don't have an unlimited supply of food, but actually, many animals do, or used to have before we destroyed it.

Of course, they don't really forgo extra food, they use it to multiply their number instead of providing more to an individual. So it's not real restrain.

Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by mamon on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:22AM (#17512985)
Obesity comes from the type of food you eat, not just quantity. Humans are the only species that invented glucose-fructose syrup and other highly processed foods. Feed that to any wild animal an they will become obese as well.
Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by usrusr on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:30AM (#17513023)
Obesity comes from quantity, the type of food is what overrides our natural restraint mechanisms to enable quantity.
Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by Tehnix on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:47AM (#17513076)
Not. At. All.

Obesity simply comes from consuming more calories than you need. You can (and people have) loose weight by eating McDonalds if you wanted—you just have to make sure the amount of calories you get from it is less than what you actually need.

As the other commentator mentions, the only thing processed foods might bring, is trying to break our self-restraint by being delicious in certain ways.

Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by XorNot on Thursday July 12, 2018 @08:17AM (#17513741)
This is overly simplistic. Our bodies process sugars in vastly different ways. Fructose for example was historically rare for us to have and is metabolized in basically unlimited quantity as fast as possible by the liver and transferred to fat reserves.

So yes, quantity matters but you will have incredible difficulty not putting on weight from high fructose foodstuffs because your body will tell you "eat more food" to feed your muscles well before it decides to give up any fat reserves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructolysis

Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by Tehnix on Thursday July 12, 2018 @08:55AM (#17513906)
Sure, but the view that it's just sugar that's bad, is even more overly simplistic, and in fact harmful. Obesity is always more deeply rooted in habits, comfort, stress and the way a person deals with things, than it is with just sugar---it's a behavioral issue that needs to be tackled at a deeper level. One calorie is one calorie, regardless of were it comes from.

You'd find very little actual scientific backing for your statement, from papers that haven't been debunked[0]. That sugar itself is bad is an age old meme that needs to die. Similarly, that kids get hyperactive with sugar is also a myth[1].

Now, your other argument that you might "feel" hungrier, is something else. You have still gotten the energy you needed, it just doesn't feel as filling, perhaps.

[0] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-016-1229-6

[1] http://www.mortenelsoe.com/blog/sukkeroghyperaktivitet great write up if you can read Danish or translate it, or just check the sources in the bottom

Re:A biologist who believes that trees speak a language we c... by XorNot on Friday July 13, 2018 @10:40PM (#17528503)
Your reference [0] is talking about the concept that such a thing as "sugar addiction" exists. That is not at all what I was arguing. The fructose metabolic pathway is well known, and particularly in the US, excess fructose in the diet is common due to the corn industry.