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Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by pwinnski on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:00PM (#17494113)
The statement you are defending was "Being able to transfer value between two parties without having to trust anyone has value." Compared to wire transfers, one is required to trust the intermediary in that case.

I think at that point it becomes fair to ask: what is the likelihood that I am going to lose money unexpectedly to my credit union, or my recipient to her bank? And then by comparison, what is the likelihood that I or my recipient are going to lose money to coin theft, exchange failures, fluctuation in valuation, or other things inherent to dealing with blockchain transfers?

Rightly or wrongly, I think many people would rate potential losses higher with blockchain solutions than with USD wire transfers. I know I would.

Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by darawk on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:42PM (#17494325)
> Compared to wire transfers, one is required to trust the intermediary in that case.

You're totally right. But let me flip the question around a little bit. What would our financial system look like if we didn't have to place so much trust in our intermediaries?

It's not that banks aren't trustworthy. They are. They're extremely good stewards of the public trust, for the most part. But the fact that we place so much trust in them has systemic effects that are stifling to innovation. And I think that's what blockchains may allow us to overcome.

Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by pwinnski on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:24PM (#17499526)
I hear what you're saying about banks stifling innovation. I think current blockchain alternatives highlight the tradeoffs, though.

I think risk is associated with stores of value. "I rob banks because that's where the money is." So we move the stores of value from banks to blockchain exchanges and hot wallets, and the risk moves accordingly. Now, instead of the risk being borne by organizations with decades or centuries of experience mitigating it, backed by the Fed, it's borne by people who barely understand the wallet software they downloaded, and Magic: The Gathering card traders who aren't as smart as they thought they were, and people who are absolutely definitely sure that smart contra--oops, let's just "fix" that.

So what you describe as centralized stores of trust stifling innovation can also be described as centralized stores of risk mitigating loss. And I think that's pretty much what we've seen so far.

Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by darawk on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:26PM (#17527693)
I agree. Fundamentally, what we have here is the potential for an alternative model. It remains to be seen whether this model can evolve to be better - I absolutely agree that it is not better right now. I think that it has the potential to be though.
Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by kvakva on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @05:06AM (#17496408)
How exactly blockchains helps with that? It's open protocol which helps but most of the people interact with it through centralized points wallets providers, exchanges etc and we already see classic centralization. It seems to me similar as it is with Facebook which interacts with open protocols but is many people have to go through it and solutions seem to be legislatively rather than technological(although I hope projects like blockstack can help with this)
Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by darawk on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:25PM (#17499540)
I think the main point is having an open protocol built on top of decentralized, trusted infrastructure. In that way, anyone can start a bank, and get to 'trust scale' immediately.
Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by jonhendry18 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @05:15AM (#17496445)
"But the fact that we place so much trust in them has systemic effects that are stifling to innovation"

Large banks have a lot of money to buy influence; that's the source of their systemic risk.

But you can do wire transfers at small banks and credit unions.

Re:Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Fin... by darawk on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @12:24PM (#17499530)
Yes, but even those small institutions are enormously careful with what they do, and are regulated heavily.