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Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by Animats on Friday July 06, 2018 @02:29PM (#17473941)
“There are not a lot of welders sitting around looking for work."

That's a good thing. Welding is hard to learn and takes a lot of practice to get right. There shouldn't be people sitting around idle with that skill.

Ask employers who are whining about a shortage of skilled labor "how many people do you have in training right now?"

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by module0000 on Friday July 06, 2018 @04:07PM (#17474699)
FWIW, I sit around idle all day long as a 6g certified welder. By "idle" I mean sitting at a desk writing python and trading commodities. Welding is for the birds, and humans that want to lose their sense of smell and eventually degrade their vision. Welding is not fun over any stretch of time.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by azernik on Friday July 06, 2018 @06:31PM (#17475629)
Same for trucking. Who wants to spend a month at a time away from family?

When people talk about higher wages for these jobs as a solution for the labor shortage, I always bring up improvements in working conditions (safety, hours, etc.) as a perhaps more cost-effective way to make these jobs attractive.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by mmt on Friday July 06, 2018 @09:15PM (#17476292)
> Same for trucking.

That strikes me as an exaggeration. Notwithstanding "sitting is the new smoking", I don't imagine trucking has nearly the permanent health risks of welding, especially considering that maximum-time regulations are now actually getting enforced, thanks to electronic logbooks.

> Who wants to spend a month at a time away from family?

Someone without a family (usually modified by "yet") or who's into making shorter-term sacrifices for the longer term. The latter would apply if the pay were high enough, but it isn't. The latter type seems to exist in the military.

The question makes an assumption that isn't necessarily valid, as there's another kind of person: one who has no kids and brings a spouse along to drive as a team.

None of this, of course, necessarily translates into an attractive long-term career, but it's also not high- or increasing-skill labor.

> improvements in working conditions (safety, hours, etc.) as a perhaps more cost-effective way to make these jobs attractive.

I suspect the reason such measures are particularly unattractive to employers is that many would be practically impossible to roll back once the job market turns. Wages are a "knob" that turns both ways, but once you've spent money on all those safety upgrades at the plant, there's no un-spending it.

As cynical as that may sound, for low-margin businesses, the fear of being out-competed is always on their mind. Whether the fear is exaggerated compared to reality is another matter.

Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by toomuchtodo on Friday July 06, 2018 @02:48PM (#17474110)
And ask what they're paying. When an employer says they can't find anyone qualified, it's usually because they're not willing to pay enough. There is always someone qualified.
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by tastythrowaway on Friday July 06, 2018 @03:49PM (#17474564)
truth
Re:Say Hello to Full Employment by buttcoinslol on Saturday July 07, 2018 @09:08AM (#17478349)
Some employers don't have the luxury of selecting the employees that work for them, many union shops in the construction business for instance.