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Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by borplk on Friday July 06, 2018 @01:41AM (#17469156)
Companies aren't trying at all.

Just go look at the job ads and see what pathetic items they list as "benefits".

- natural sunlight - monthly social events - snacks - ping pong table

All either basic workplace expectations or intangible irrelevant gimmicks.

People are not that dumb. If you want to avoid paying people tangible benefits and what they are worth they will dump you and no amount of sunlight and social events and catered lunches is going to change it.

Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by MrBuddyCasino on Friday July 06, 2018 @05:41AM (#17470115)
> natural sunlight

Is that a US thing? Never ever seen that in Germany, sounds like "free oxygen" too me.

Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by borplk on Friday July 06, 2018 @06:35AM (#17470312)
US and many other countries. It's a sad brag that shows just how low the expectations have come down to.
Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by ahartmetz on Friday July 06, 2018 @06:18AM (#17470245)
There are regulations for that in Germany.
Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by MrBuddyCasino on Friday July 06, 2018 @06:22AM (#17470263)
Seems there is, there must be direct line of sight to the outside world: https://www.komnet.nrw.de/_sitetools/dialog/5278

The more you know.

Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by tudelo on Friday July 06, 2018 @09:45AM (#17471303)
Wait, as in you can't be stuck in a cubicle farm without a view of a window?
Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by pnutjam on Friday July 06, 2018 @10:33AM (#17471670)
To be fair, when I started in IT, around 2001, it was common for IT to be in the basement or sub-basement. It probably still is at larger companies or government contractors.
Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by vonmoltke on Friday July 06, 2018 @07:13AM (#17470474)
I have yet to see that listed in a job ad here. I ignore California openings, though, so maybe it's an SFBA thing.
Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by Xcelerate on Friday July 06, 2018 @11:47AM (#17472366)
To be fair, natural sunlight is actually a massive deal to me. I can’t focus without it and I get weirdly claustrophobic in rooms without it. I wouldn’t take a job in an office without windows, even if my salary was doubled.
Re:Job-hopping increases, in possible boon to wage growth an... by borplk on Friday July 06, 2018 @12:22PM (#17472664)
Yeah I'm not saying it's not important but it's still sad and embarrassing to brag about it at the top of the list of your company benefits.

So the deal is "salary that isn't going up + a bunch of gimmicks".

In fact many of the "benefits" are designed to benefit the company such as social events outside work hours that is basically free team building activity for the company.

Or other gimmicks to trick employees into working longer hours.

Then they wonder why people hop.

Because there's nothing else other than that salary going and someone next door is offering 10-20% more.

Real and tangible benefits takes some guts to offer and they don't have it.

It could be things such as extra paid leave days, highly paid overtime or no overtime culture, shorter work days for usual market pay (say 9 to 4), private offices.

Employees will sure as hell miss a 9 to 4 job a lot more than your snack-packed kitchen and beer on tap.