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Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by handsomechad on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:44PM (#17465224)
This isn't fair, the OP broke down his arguments for why the author was wrong, and all you do is appeal to the author's authority as a "trained professional". After a certain amount of life experience you realize that "trained professionals" in some (many?) fields of study often have glaring gaps in their knowledge of are purposely ignorant of some set of facts/ideas that do not corroborate their philosophical leanings.

Either way I feel it would have been more productive to rebut the GP on the merits of his arguments. For the record, I agree with him, though I am also not a "trained professional", just an amateur who has spent a lot of time thinking about this subject.

Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by msbarnett on Thursday July 05, 2018 @02:02PM (#17465372)
> This isn't fair, the OP broke down his arguments for why the author was wrong

No they haven't. An argument is a persuasive set of evidence and reasoning presented to make a case for a conclusion -- OP merely made a bunch of handwavey, highly debatable statements as if they were fact

Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by TooBrokeToBeg on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:48PM (#17465254)
> This isn't fair,

Of course it's fair, in a discussion.

> the OP broke down his arguments for why the author was wrong,

No he didn't. There are no "arguments" presented. There's a vague premise (It can all be compared to how most social mammals operate. <--- not an argument in any sense) then some 1 line ramblings that seem thinly related.

Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by kstenerud on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:45PM (#17465231)
Cannibals and Kings - Marvin Harris

Warriors and Worriers - Joyce Bennenson

Sex at Dawn - Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jethá

Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by froboz on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:34PM (#17466118)
Well, Harris has been out-of-date for decades in anthropological circles, I'm afraid. He's a fun read, but I wouldn't take his books too seriously at this point. It's pretty well understood now that a strict economic materialist framework doesn't explain why people do what they do (humans are _not_ rational actors, by any stretch of the imagination), but he was never able to allow himself to think outside his Marxian box.

Granted, I've only had a cursory look at Bennenson, Ryan, and Jetha, but they're a couple of psychologists and a medical doctor, none of whom seem to have a deep background in cultural anthropology. Unsurprisingly, their works appear to fall back on the usual just-so stories taken from sociobiology and evolutionary psychology.

TL;DR: I respectfully disagree with the implication that these sources are strong counterarguments to the article's thesis.

Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by kstenerud on Thursday July 05, 2018 @04:17PM (#17466440)
I've definitely noticed a tendency in modern times, especially among Americans, towards all-or-nothing-ism. Someone's work is either completely right, or completely worthless. All you have to do is poke a few holes, and then you can dismiss the whole thing as nonsense. Usually, it culminates in an insular attitude of "I don't need to see the evidence to know it's wrong."
Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by stcredzero on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:55PM (#17465317)
Classic HN. Layman comments to tell us why a trained professional knows less than them.

There has been tremendous politicization of science in media in recent years. Basically, if it contradicts a narrative the media is trying to push, actual science is shouted down and castigated. Both the left and the right do this. The right does it with climate science. The left does this with psychology and social sciences.

Basically, this article is nicely full of facts. However, it's presenting them in the classic leftist mode of obscurantism, all to push a politically driven agenda:

These contexts include the history and current reality of specific inequalities that stem from economic, racist, and sexist processes in our society.

As humans are social animals, there is some psychological insight to be gained from studying other social animals, just as there's some physiological insight to be gained by studying the biology of rats and monkeys. Right now, any biological and evolutionary components of human behavior contradict the Marxian, postmodern social constructionist, and far left foundational notion of the human being as blank slate. If any such components are acknowledged, many of their simplistic moralistic calls for reform would have to be questioned. The realistic scientific consensus is a moderate and nuanced one: both nature and nurture matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQHSKLXu2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKmyO3hbOz8

Re:Most of what chimpanzees and humans do today is not direc... by lainga on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:37PM (#17465167)
Classic HN: this is "pop sci, and not a scientific article" in one comment, and "written by a trained professional" in another.