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Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by zerr on Thursday July 05, 2018 @08:33AM (#17462708)
Can you be more specific - exactly from what page should one start reading GEB?
Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by stuntkite on Thursday July 05, 2018 @08:42AM (#17462752)
It's been about 2 years I think since I did that. Skip the Socratic dialogs basically. I think the course I linked is the same one I went through. He covers it in the first video.

Also once you get through the other parts, the Socratic discussions are easy to come back to. You just don't end up in nowhere taxed with his presentation before you really find the book.

Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by rspeer on Thursday July 05, 2018 @10:19AM (#17463418)
Wow, I would recommend exactly the opposite. If you wanted a dry statement of Hofstadter's philosophy, you could read I Am A Strange Loop, but GEB is remarkable for its form, including the dialogues.
Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by stuntkite on Thursday July 05, 2018 @10:23AM (#17463452)
Eh, worked for me! YMMV.

I couldn't do the dialogs until I got through the rest. I also enjoyed IAASL a bit more than I enjoyed GEB. Definitely not saying what helped me figure the book out is what everyone should do.

Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by rspeer on Thursday July 05, 2018 @01:18PM (#17465007)
I guess this just goes to show there's a variety of reasons people enjoy Hofstadter's work.

Hofstadter, introducing IAASL, said something like: "I wrote this book because people got so distracted by the form of GEB that they didn't get the point I was making."

My reaction: "I understood the point, I just didn't care about it as much as everything else that was happening in GEB."

Kind of similar to my appreciation of Bach himself, in fact. The content of Bach's compositions is frequently about praising God, which has no particular relevance to me. But the form and aesthetics of Bach are wonderful.

Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by stan_rogers on Thursday July 05, 2018 @09:24AM (#17463035)
Well, if you forget about the fact that Aunt Hillary is the thesis, I suppose.
Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by iafisher on Thursday July 05, 2018 @11:12AM (#17463873)
> Skip the Socratic dialogs basically.

I agree, except make sure not to skip the SHRDLU [1] one, which isn't actually Hofstadter's writing at all, but a demo of the SHRDLU system which is fascinating and should not be missed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHRDLU

Re:Why I Don't Love Gödel, Escher, Bach by tclancy on Thursday July 05, 2018 @08:38AM (#17462736)
You would have to know which printing to be specific about.