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Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by andrewf on Friday October 01, 2010 @01:44AM (#1746145)
I don't think most pictures on the Internet come from a camera verbatim.

If you look at something like cnn.com or arstechnica.com - most images on that page have been scaled, cropped, composited with other images and finally re-encoded.

Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by CWuestefeld on Friday October 01, 2010 @10:55AM (#1747212)
For professional stuff, definitely.

But there's a movement afoot to build greater image-processing power into cameras, doing all of those operations right there on the device.

Personally, I'd never do that. I shoot RAW, and then handle on my desktop -- and calibrated monitor -- all of the adjustments. If nothing else, no matter how good the camera's CPU, the awful display on the back of the camera makes serious work impossible. It just can't be big enough if it's on the back of a convenient camera, and it won't be calibrated.

But for your average person taking photos of the kids at their soccer game, they don't care about any of that. The camera makers do a pretty good job of fine-tuning the heuristics (white balance, color adjustment, sharpening, etc.) so that the JPEG the camera produces is usually quite good, even if it's not excellent.

These people will be the ones driving a new "broadcast" image format. For quality stuff, the enthusiasts and pros have DNG and TIFF.

Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by sprout on Friday October 01, 2010 @02:46AM (#1746260)
Where are most pictures on the Internet? I would guess Facebook and Flickr, uploaded by users who haven't the skill or the time to bother touching up the pictures they took today.
Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by FooBarWidget on Friday October 01, 2010 @04:15AM (#1746398)
Why would anybody care about the format that Facebook users use? I see way more value in reencoding company website images in WebP so that things load faster at the same quality. This is especially useful if your visitors are fairly technical, i.e. when you are a systems software vendor or when you're a tech blogger: even if WebP is only supported by Chrome and Firefox, it means half of your audience can enjoy the faster loading times. With HTTP content negotiation you can gracefully fallback to JPG. WebP does not need the support of Facebook users to become valuable.
Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by sprout on Friday October 01, 2010 @05:20PM (#1748806)
Facebook users, myself included, care a good deal.

Facebook's introduction of 2000px wide images (close to the output of most consumer cameras) makes this all the more important. If Facebook's letting people upload directly from their cameras to the site with no scaling, the format the camera uses is a big deal.

Also, Facebook is a very large portion of photos shared over the web.

Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by ZeroGravitas on Friday October 01, 2010 @03:26AM (#1746333)
Flickr, Picasa and such re-encodes the images to various sizes for display even if the untouched original is available. I believe that many phones offer to downsize before upload to save bandwidth in the other direction too.
Re:H.264 and VP8 for still image coding: WebP? by robin_reala on Friday October 01, 2010 @03:25AM (#1746329)
The only time you see an original photo on Flickr is by going to choose size and selecting original. Everything else has been re-encoded.