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Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by stcredzero on Saturday June 30, 2018 @12:50PM (#17431528)
Google probably doesn't want to censor results the way they have been forced to.

From what I've seen, there is a large contingent of Google who doesn't want to provide unfettered access to information. Rather, this contingent wants to socially engineer everyone for the better using their power.

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by skybrian on Saturday June 30, 2018 @04:39PM (#17432639)
It's unclear what "unfettered access" would mean for a search engine. Google has always been ranking results from the very beginning (PageRank). To get unbiased results you'd need a random sample of something, which is never going to be useful in a search engine.

So they are always going to make some people unhappy and the question is who. It used to be people nobody on Hacker News cared about like spammers and click farms (remember them)? But you could still call that censorship or social engineering even then. Isn't getting rid of spam also "using their power?"

Without heavy-duty ranking and spam prevention, would you even use it at all?

So yeah, they have a lot of power, they're getting leaned on by other powerful forces, and we don't need to agree with their choices. But just like a newspaper has to decide on something for its front page (and leave other stuff out), a search engine's gotta rank things.

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by prepend on Saturday June 30, 2018 @10:28PM (#17433764)
“So they are always going to make some people unhappy and the question is who. It used to be people nobody on Hacker News cared about like spammers and click farms (remember them)?“

For me, I want pirate sites when searching for piracy and I never want click farm.

Google used to have a simple mission- organize the world information. This means helping you find what you’re looking for. Link farms didn’t do this, they made it harder to find the real thing. If I’m looking for a document and Google knows I want it, and knows the document’s location and doesn’t show it to me, that’s bad. I don’t really care if Google morally doesn’t like piracy, or makes more money by blocking piracy, or whatever. It’s their site, they can do what they like.

But this is why they are worse at their job than they used to be.

One of the reasons I never liked AOL is because their search was like an index through the yellow pages and didn’t use what made the internet so awesome (all the world can connect to each other) and rather was about what was most advantageous for AOL and their advertisers buying keywords.

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by stcredzero on Saturday June 30, 2018 @10:16PM (#17433726)
So they are always going to make some people unhappy and the question is who.

What happens when these large companies start making people unhappy just because they have the wrong politics? What happens when groups of people within companies like Google start looking the other way when people start to manipulate/SEO page rankings to bury facts and promote their own interpretations of documented facts and science?

It's already happened.

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by trendia on Saturday June 30, 2018 @12:58PM (#17431565)
Source?

Wouldn't these people need to be specifically from the search team, and not Google in general (which would have almost no control over search)

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by stcredzero on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:25PM (#17431705)
Google keeps on demoting sites in search for doing certain things. In the past, this has largely been good. This stance against piracy and the stance that YouTube has taken against the principles of free speech mark a trajectory I find disturbing.
Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by stingraycharles on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:12PM (#17431935)
Going from “their stance against piracy” to “socially engineer everyone for better using their power” is quite a leap and strikes me as overly dramatic / FUD.
Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by kodablah on Saturday June 30, 2018 @05:08PM (#17432752)
It was very clear that one was about what a contingent in the company believes and another is about what the company does. It strikes me as quite the leap and overly dramatic to compare specific quotes about different things just because they're in the same thread.
Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by pdelbarba on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:11PM (#17431927)
I see it as a concerning second phase to citizens united. Give corporations virtually unlimited influence and watch as they also find ways of capping everyone else's influence. Google sticks you into your (their) filter bubble and Facebook performs the social equivalent to gerrymandering on their platform. WCGW?
Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by mtgx on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:11PM (#17431635)
Google would've fought back much more -- as it has in the past -- if it wouldn't have gotten into the "content business."

That's really the main leverage studios have over Google right now: "either remove the stuff we tell you or you'll no longer get access to the content you want from us."

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MPAA's board seat on the W3C was sponsored by Google (and Netflix, maybe Microsoft, and a few others).

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by FussyZeus on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:39PM (#17431770)
The mental gymnastics employed by HN's pro-Google users never cease to impress. Excuses, explanations, speculation abound all so you don't need to confront the simple and obvious truth that Google's a business, it exists to make money and for no other reason, and the primary method it employs is doing all manner of things that degrade the quality of it's services to impress and court the advertising industry.

And now let the down-votes rain in.

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by digi_owl on Saturday June 30, 2018 @05:28PM (#17432854)
Yeah i thing a watershed was back when movies were added to the Android Marketplace (later renamed Google Play).

This coincided with Android getting a much more restrictive permission regarding removable media (under the label media storage permissions), that made it impossible for non-system apps to write to removable storage (sd cards, usb sticks, etc).

Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by Synaesthesia on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:29PM (#17432345)
Google makes its money selling advertising - it has no incentive to provide unfettered access of information to everyone.
Re:Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results by menacingly on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:54PM (#17432464)
You can pick an arbitrary contentious political topic, or even a topic that borders a political topic, and get markedly different "leanings" from bing and google on the first page. One of them at least appears to be aiming at something with the results.