>while Apple Maps has more accurate drive time estimates (Google always underestimates).

Not for me. It's always eerily accurate. Maybe you're a really slow driver.

It's not just me: http://macdailynews.com/2018/02/22/apple-maps-vs-google-maps...

Do you live in a low-traffic area? IME GMaps is least accurate when there's heavy traffic.

IME Google is really bad at traffic drive time estimates when there are situations where different lanes have different traffic. E.g. two lanes of the road are moving fine, but the left turn lane is backed up like crazy. Or the fast lane is fine, but the freeway on-ramp and exits you need are horrible.

I think whoever cracks lane-aware positioning, mapping, and routing could make some big improvements.

But mainly I just want a big button that says "don't make me make unprotected turns across multiple lanes of traffic" - Apple Maps seems less aggressive in that regard than Google Maps, which is why I prefer it.

This drives me bananas with Waze. Even with its option to decrease the number of left turns, there seems to be no concept of "prefer left turns onto multi-lane roads at controlled intersections."

I quit using Waze for exactly that reason, after being a happy user for years. I wonder who thought it would be a great idea to have me make an unprotected left turn from a side street onto a major road with no signal at rush hour.

>IME Google is really bad at traffic drive time estimates when there are situations where different lanes have different traffic.

Exactly, that's the one case where Gmaps gives me bad estimates, as there's something like that for me on my drive to work. The rest of the time, its estimates are very good.

if he is a slower than average driver that reinforces his point.

If someone is a slower than average driver, they should realize that Google's estimates target average speeds (since they're aggregating data from lots of drivers), and take that into account when looking at Google's estimates.

I guess it'd be nice if Google over time determined if you're a faster or slower driver than average and adjusted accordingly.

Google's estimates seem most accurate for me if I can consistently break the speed limit by about 15 mph. If I get into a bit of congestion and get stuck at the speed limit then it misses the mark.