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Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by isostatic on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:13AM (#17414997)
What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005.

I do have a problem reading visio files though. I have a solution, I tell them to f-off and send me a pdf if they want my views.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by apexalpha on Thursday June 28, 2018 @08:26AM (#17416279)
>What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005.

Come on, we all love open source here, but let's be honest: this statement is false.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by DoofusOfDeath on Thursday June 28, 2018 @08:42AM (#17416357)
I assume GP was referring to his/her own experience, not everybody's.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by maimeowmeow on Thursday June 28, 2018 @09:11AM (#17416542)
Unless op is using the same laptop for years, but if you ever try connecting some new device to your machine, your in for some configuring at least with mint/debian. Linux is still worth the prodiuctivity gains, but sometimes you spend hours cursing your luck. For a short list off the top of my head.

Plugging in certain android phones, usb wifi, monitors not detected, monitors being forgotten, grub conflicts after windows updates, graphic cards drivers in messed up after apt upgrade shenanigans.

This stuff happens on all my machines, whether dual boot or pure linux. It really makes you feel helpless when your machine randomly stops working properly.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by isostatic on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:42PM (#17419861)
> Plugging in certain android phones

I don't have them, but then I don't do anything with phones over usb other than charge them

> usb wifi

It's built in (as is 4g, although I now tether on my phone)

> monitors not detected, monitors being forgotten

I've used an external monitor rarely, I don't recall any issues. I've seem people using external monitors on their macs and windows laptops, they often seem to have major problems.

> grub conflicts after windows updates

So a windows bug then. As I don't run windows that's not really a problem.

> graphic cards drivers in messed up after apt upgrade shenanigans

I run an LTS version of ubuntu, went from 8.04 to 12.04 to 16.04 -- took the opportunity to replace my SSD for something a little larger. Next time will be 20.04, but at that stage I think the laptop will really be due for a replacement.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by aclsid on Thursday June 28, 2018 @09:07AM (#17416503)
Just get a Vega 64 AMD and see how you fare. Oh and no AMD wattman for you either.

I use Linux, but it does have limitations, especially when it comes to compatible hardware (mostly due to the manufacturer releasing no/bad drivers) and gaming.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by keymone on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:22AM (#17415041)
> haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005

have you heard of GUI?

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by isostatic on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:39AM (#17415106)
I've run xubuntu on this thinkpad since 2010, currently 16.04.

I've just rdesktopped into a windows machine to run a cisco ASA tool. Just had to reboot it.

YMMV of course, and the plural of annecdote isn't data, but I find it hard to raise bugs when they don't affect me.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by keymone on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:53AM (#17415163)
well i consider myself fairly technical and i've been trying various linuxes since 2003 - every single time there were some issues that i can't imagine non-technical person to deal with.

no matter the distro, no matter the desktop environment, no matter the hardware.

graphics drivers, sound system, xorg config, multiple monitors, wifi, you name it.

so excuse me if i take your comment about "no hardware problem since 2005" with a grain of salt.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by isostatic on Thursday June 28, 2018 @05:09AM (#17415246)
I've had tons of problems on the occasions I've built a windows machine -- took me 12 hours to get a windows 7 machine running casparcg successfully in 2015.

I guess it's what you know.