Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source

Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by titanix2 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:46AM (#17400101)

How the hell are you supposed to prove that you "identify as woman" if asked? If they follow the ideology at work here, everyone can identify as any gender, so basically everyone can apply by pretending to be a woman. Then they can make a fuss about being discriminated if Outreachy doesn’t acknowledge they are indeed indentifying as a woman. This whole minory/discrimination is a double edged sword.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by nooron on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:52AM (#17400134)

But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this? Displaying yourself as trans brings huge social opprobrium in most places. I can’t imagine anyone I know pretending to be a trans woman to get a job. Do you have any evidence this is a common problem?

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by beaconstudios on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:57AM (#17400171)

You don't have to display as a gender in order to identify as it though. Supposedly gender is about self-identification now, not outward characteristics, so if LLVM are up on the progressive playbook they know they can't reject you for not "passing" as female if you claim to identify as female.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by Joeboy on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:27AM (#17400375)

Not very common. But if people incentivize it it's obviously going to become more common.

Vaguely relevant recent events:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-electio...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/23/two-heterosexu...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/labour-allows-ma...

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by prepend on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:57AM (#17400169)

I suppose I’m fortunate that displaying oneself as trans in my country and state (US south) does not bring huge social opprobrium.

Interestingly, you’d be surprised who is trans and who is cis as it’s not like people have a sign over their head “I’m trans opprobriate me.”

So, in my city at least, it would be as simple as checking a box identifying as trans and no social stigma would even be possible. Unless the potential employer “outed” the applicant somehow. But that seems not only unethical but illegal (again, at least in my state).

Since I live in a prett backwoods area, I assume there are many other areas that are much better.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by rainbowmverse on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:07AM (#17400247)

The south is weird like this. Some places it's great, some places you'd never know it was further in the future than 1959.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by horseLOGIC on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:15AM (#17400305)

To be fair, in many rural places you don't want to fall out of the norm on any spectrum and there's no opportunity for practically anything.

That's why you move out.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by rainbowmverse on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:56AM (#17400160)

Someone willing to take on the stigma and dangers for an opportunity instead of go for one of the already abundant opportunities available for them may not be entirely cis anyway.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by mantas on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:09AM (#17400262)

Lying for the sake of getting $$$ is OK in many parts of the world. Especially if you stick it up a dumb fat westerners'.

Source: born & raised in (ex-)USSR

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by horseLOGIC on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:05AM (#17400230)

There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers.

I mean, maybe the GCC people will take you, but... yeah.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by jonhendry18 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:42AM (#17401480)

"There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers."

It seems like there are a lot of llvm-related projects outside of llvm itself, which might mean there are C/C++ compiler-adjacent internships out there.

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by horseLOGIC on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:58AM (#17400179)

> But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this?

Who says it's a problem? It's not up to anyone else to judge my motivation for changing my gender. If I want to change my gender for 10% discount on a pair of sneakers, that should be my right.

Otherwise, where do you draw the line and how do you verify it?

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Re:Diversity and Discrimination in Open Source by horseLOGIC on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:52AM (#17400135)

Just put your preferred pronoun on your twitter page, and as long as it's not male and the gender you were assigned at birth, you should be good to go.

As soon as that internship is over, you can just change back. That's what genderfluidity is about, right?

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