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Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by madeofpalk on Sunday June 24, 2018 @07:32AM (#17386109)
Unfortunately "whether you like it or not" doesn't carry much legal weight.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by Rjevski on Sunday June 24, 2018 @07:54AM (#17386185)
Tor and proxies solve that problem pretty nicely from experience.

Not saying this is right, but if the service provider wants to play cat and mouse then I’m happy to take part.

Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by jasongill on Sunday June 24, 2018 @08:00AM (#17386206)
I don't see how using Tor would make your legal case any stronger
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by curiousgal on Sunday June 24, 2018 @08:26AM (#17386269)
It would prevent the legal case from ever taking place, ideally.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by toomuchtodo on Sunday June 24, 2018 @08:53AM (#17386362)
The service provider will just block Tor.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by Rjevski on Sunday June 24, 2018 @09:26AM (#17386469)
And there are plenty of other proxies to choose from.

My point is, you can’t just put content online and expect to put restrictions on how I send the HTTP requests for it on my side. And if you think you can well I’ll do my best to prove you wrong.

Edit: I totally agree that the data they’re giving me is their property and I merely have a license to use it. I’m not advocating for copyright infringement or anything like that. But if the license allows me to use the content for X purpose, then the way I request the content (whether through a browser or a scraper) shouldn’t matter.

Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by toomuchtodo on Sunday June 24, 2018 @10:08AM (#17386607)
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. Just because you can make an HTTP request doesn’t mean you have a right to do whatever you want with that data. You may not agree with that, but that’s what at least US law outlines.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by gazarsgo on Sunday June 24, 2018 @01:41PM (#17387431)
There are plenty of fair use exemptions to copyright. That said, US law is not the highest of moral standards to aspire to. Especially US copyright law. We've been flaunting it online forever, because it's obviously ridiculous and still hasn't caught up with what's fair and equitable in 30 years.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by toomuchtodo on Sunday June 24, 2018 @01:42PM (#17387436)
If you're staying within the boundaries of fair use, you only have a Terms of Service to contend with. What you want to aspire to is meaningless versus what the law of the land is (which is what is enforced). That is my point. I don't disagree that most first world copyright law is overzealous and in a lot of scenarios, unreasonable.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by LarryPage on Sunday June 24, 2018 @09:16AM (#17386424)
"Whether you like it or not" isn't the legal part, it's the result.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by carbocation on Sunday June 24, 2018 @10:32AM (#17386705)
This brings up the delightful distinction between malum prohibitum and malum in se.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by merinowool on Sunday June 24, 2018 @10:05AM (#17386595)
That's why it is important to root out corruption from law making, nowadays called "lobbying" - this should be illegal. If you expose an endpoint to the public you can't restrict who or what can consume it. You can do throttling on your side but that's it. Otherwise this is just racism towards machines.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by jjeaff on Sunday June 24, 2018 @12:32PM (#17387131)
I don't think machines are yet considered a "protected class".
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by notduncansmith on Sunday June 24, 2018 @11:05AM (#17386806)
How do you outlaw lobbying?
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by qbrass on Sunday June 24, 2018 @07:14PM (#17388889)
It probably involves lobbying.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by zo1 on Sunday June 24, 2018 @01:19PM (#17387323)
Why are we even arguing about this, is what I want to know. Call a referendum and let the people decide.
Re:Show HN: Instagram-scraper – Scrape instagram photos by t... by Rjevski on Sunday June 24, 2018 @10:12AM (#17386617)
Not to mention, this still leaves a hole open as a scraping company can outsource the “scraping” to low-wage data-entry slaves in third-world countries.