China also gives us goods far below what we could produce them for which lowers our cost of living. Complaining about China stealing $300b (I'll use your number because it doesn't really matter) in IP is like complaining about high school kids stealing Adobe CC - it's a theoretical loss, they weren't going to be a customer regardless. Tariffs don't even do anything to prevent IP theft

It gives Chinese companies a competitive advantage because instead of spending billions on R&D they just steal it.

The point is that the tariffs will be removed IF China stops stealing IP

That's the dumbest way to enforce IP law. Just take the companies to court in the US if they sell in the US or international court if selling to other countries where Chinese companies compete with American manuf. - tariffs just aren't a good way to do this as it royally fucks American consumers

You got a Citation for Canada and the EU allowing Chinese steel shell companies (the recent tariffs against canada and the EU targeted steel)?

I'd not heard that argument at all so far.

"North American content required to qualify for NAFTA is set at between 50-60 percent under Chapter 4. With this low bar, many PRC goods and services can be regarded as Canadian products"

It's not just steel, it's basically any product due to NAFTA.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/344621-...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta/nafta-meeting...

https://www.tecma.com/nafta-rules-of-origin-important/

A name with a bunch of numbers behind it spouting off unsourced nonsense is trademark Russian bots on Twitter, so I'd just leave it alone.

This violates the HN guidelines against insinuating astroturfing and calling names in arguments. Please read them and follow them when posting here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

and yet the other response is exactly what that post described.

If people are discussing in good faith, why aren't they willing to do it on an account that matters to them?

I'm not sure I follow you, but it doesn't sound related to the issue of needing to follow the site guidelines when posting here, regardless of what someone else is 'spouting'. We're all spouting something.

It’s against the rules to accuse the other participants of being bots or shills. Please address the argument, not the person.

You posted three articles, two of which don't have China in them even once (I crtl+F'd China, nothing), and the third which is titled "China may use Canada as 'Trojan horse' into US market", an op-ed written by Danny Lam, who if you google may as well not exist. I cannot find him anywhere.

muh russia! You should be proud to be paid for this idiocy, because otherwise you'd be that gullible and that would be tragic.

This is the kind of thing we ban accounts for. Please don't do it again, regardless of how wrong you think someone else is.

Edit: I'm dismayed to see that you've been crossing repeatedly into incivility and name-calling in other threads as well. Please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing this if you want to keep posting here. Hacker News is for thoughtful conversation, not belittling enemies.

I cited a direct NAFTA bylaw, that a product can be considered Mexican or Canadian if 50-60% of it is sourced from those countries, hence China doesn't need to be mentioned directly in the article. Take a trip to Vancouver sometime and tell me there isn't a large Chinese presence.

The fact you assume anyone you don't agree with or who provides information contrary to mainstream opinion a bot is the sign of a stunted mind.

This is not a substantive comment. The "large Chinese presence" in Vancouver is obviously not evidence of an obscure point about trade policy. It is, though, a step into dark insinuation. That's not ok here.

Worse, you went into personal attack. Since you've already been violating the site guidelines by using HN primarily for political battle (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), I've banned this account.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll use the site as intended in the future.

> tell me there isn't a large Chinese presence.

What does this have to do with anything?

Could do doesn't mean are doing.